Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to the Restless Politics Question Time with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Alistair Campbell. So hundreds of questions, I think even thousands of questions this week. But I guess I'm going to start with Cuba because that got a couple of questions.
So for example, Murray asks, with no obvious win for Trump that would allow him to save face in the war with Iran, do you think there's a real possibility he might resort to a distraction strategy, this time by targeting another country such as Cuba? So Alistair, Cuba.
So recent events in Cuba, you had... It does relate to the capture of Maduro because 32 Cuban security personnel were killed during that raid, which didn't make Cuba very, very happy. Trump then quickly goes on to declare that Cuba's estate ready to fail. Then the oil shipments start to dry up, threats on Mexico. He threatens more tariffs. So this really has been a deliberate attempt.
to strangle Cuba when it comes to its own economy and particularly its oil supplies. This is what's led to several blackouts and increasing rising rhetoric from Trump and others in the administration that Cuba is not long for this world.
Yeah, and you've got people like Senator Lindsey Graham out there saying Iran's done, Cuba's next. We're mopping them up one by one. He is such a jerk, that guy. He's a jerk. Marco Rubio is, of course, from Cuban-American family. I mean, his parents moved from Cuba, weren't originally American citizens. And so he knows a lot about Cuba.
And of course, he represented the very, very deep Florida-Miami base of Cuban Americans. They're only 90 miles, of course, from Cuba, some bits of the US coast.
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Chapter 2: Is Trump planning regime change in Cuba?
And that constituency very, very strongly engaged in what they do to bring down the regime. And one of the things that I was thinking about this, we were talking about last podcast about what kind of threat Iran poses and the question what kind of threat Cuba poses.
And I was listening to an interview with Trump's former deputy assistant secretary of state who dealt with Cuba, a woman called Carrie Filippetti. And I was really interested in the way in which Republican Americans think about Cuba. So she takes it as read that an intervention in Cuba, regime change in Cuba, is basically justified, partly because she wants to pose it as a threat to Americans.
So along with arguments around the evident lack of democracy, I mean, this is a country which is a genuine autocratic state with over a thousand political prisoners. I mean, that's all true. It's a very... poor, pretty brutal state. But she wants to not just describe it as that.
She wants to say, this is a country where if an American goes on holiday to Cuba, despite the fact they're not really allowed to go on holiday to Cuba by the Trump administration, they could have their possessions spied on, was one of her arguments. Then she talked about Havana syndrome, which are these allegations which aren't really validated, that the Cubans had a secret weapon
that affected Americans who visited, then there have been a lot of arguments about how Cuba hosts Russian and Chinese signals intelligence, which allows it to spy on the US. Now, these are very odd arguments for intervention, really, because of course, the US has signals intelligence stations all over the world, including in Britain, spying on China and Russia. And
the idea that because somewhere it's an autocratic, non-democratic state that spies on people who visit, that would apply to probably 50, 60 countries in the world. It would apply to Vietnam.
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Chapter 3: What recent events have escalated tensions between the US and Cuba?
And when asked what an intervention would do, and this is why I was getting worried, she said, well, things can't get worse, basically, for Cuba. And this is a little bit reminiscent of what people were saying with Iran and what people were saying with Iraq. It it can't really go wrong because things can't be any worse than they are. But of course, they can be worse.
You could end up with half a million Cubans on boats trying to get to Florida. The only kind of risk she seemed to acknowledge was risk to American service personnel, not really risk to Cubans. So the only reason I'm talking about this is it reminds me a little bit of the structure of the Iran intervention, which is massive inflation of the risk posed by a country
Assumption that there are no real downstream consequences for the US, certainly no thinking about the consequences for the actual local people, only in terms of consequences for US servicemen. And I guess the sort of general idea that it's just taken for granted that you don't really need to make international legal arguments at all. You just have to say...
this is a bad regime, which relates to maybe something that we can all relate to, which is, if like me, you have Trump derangement syndrome, you find it quite difficult to believe that lots of people support Trump and are going to vote for him.
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Chapter 4: How do Trump and Lindsey Graham view Cuba's future?
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We talked about Iran when we talked with Karim Sajipour, that maybe the best policy was one of containment. It's hard to see what real threat Cuba poses to the United States, particularly now that they've lost that link to Venezuela and the support from Venezuela. They do still have some support from Russia. I was interested to read that one of the things that China is helping them to do
is a massive expansion of solar panels to try to get them more energy self-sufficient. But surely the other thing that might be, I mean, they're not as military powerful as maybe they were when Castro had the whole country backing him. But the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, in the spring of 1961, I mean, that was a bit of a disaster for the United States. Yeah.
That was another one that I don't, you know, so Dennis Brogan, who we talked about yesterday, he wrote his piece eight years before that happened. But that was another one where they just thought, we get a few exiles, we put them together with some of our troops and they'll go in, the whole thing will fall over. It was a fiasco.
The most beautiful book on that is, if we're getting onto cultural recommendation, Norman Mailer's Harlot's Ghost. Oh, yeah. This incredibly detailed account of the CIA planning the Bay of Pigs
And the way they're using Cuban exiles and the different Cuban exile groups coming in and their attempts to try to disguise an American plane to look like a Cuban plane and pretend that a Cuban pilot has come across.
And then the disaster unfolds on the beach where, of course, a bit like these attempts to use Kurds against Iran, the real victims turn out to be the Cubans who are gunned to death on the beach.
They also had these wonderful plots to try and take down Castro. So they knew that he liked diving. And a bit like Putin's people managed to put some poison inside, let's say, Navalny's underpants, they poisoned Castro's wetsuit. But unfortunately, on that day, he didn't wear that wetsuit. Somebody else did.
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Chapter 5: What risks are associated with US intervention in Cuba?
Is it to topple the regime? Is it, I mean... There's no why.
He's gone to a very, very, very dark place. But I think the other thing that's really interesting, although Cuba is not Iran, there's no point. Lindsey Graham might want to put them into the same breath, but it's just ridiculous. But I think the other thing to say is the threats that Trump routinely makes now against other countries, the threats themselves are a violation of international law.
When he says, I'm going to take Cuba, I'm going to do with Cuba whatever. Whatever I want. And by the way, Rory, when we were talking yesterday about Britain and the United States, and while we were recording, the palace announced that King Charles and Camilla are going on this state visit. Now, as you know, and I know, these are the decisions that are made by the government.
not by the royal family themselves. I'm very, very alarmed that they're going to do this. And let me just read you a post that Donald Trump put out on his ridiculous Truth Social.
Shortly after this decision had been announced that Charles and Kamala are going there, all of those countries that can't get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran. I have a suggestion for you. Number one, buy from the US. We have plenty.
Number two, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait and just take it in caps. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us. Iran has been essentially decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil, President DJT.
I mean, that's literally, we keep being told that the one bit of the United Kingdom that he absolutely has real respect for is the royal family and King Charles. King Charles announces he's going on this state visit, which is a big deal for Trump because he loves baubles. And then he puts that out as yet another whack at Keir Starmer because he didn't go along with his Iran madness.
Because obviously I'm getting some pushback around and including from you on my characterization of Americans not being properly engaged with the war in Iran. I still hold to the view that people in the US have not understood what this means for allies. what this message really means.
I mean, if your economy is suffering as the British economy now is, and there's a big problem, which again, I don't hear enough about in the US, which is they're asking Europe to pick up the bill in Ukraine, asking Europe to spend 5% GDP on defence, while at the same time, they are damaging the European economies through their war in Iran.
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