Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
It's Gerard Waitley. Thanks for listening to the podcast. In this episode, the leadership portfolio with Luke Hodge, NFL Red Zone host Scott Hanson in the studio, Sam Edmund and I got totally lost in a Carlton counselling session, but out on the racing across the divide with Andrew Voss and Warrnambool Racing Club chief executive Luke Cann. You can get in touch at any time. Waitley at SEN.com.au.
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Good morning! And it is a good morning for our previously twitchy Arsenal fans. Manchester City dropped two points in a draw with Everton, so if Arsenal win their way through, they will be EPL champions for the first time in 22 years. Amid much talk about choking, I read a piece on the weekend in the UK Telegraph about the psyche of Arsenal fans. There's...
Universal themes here, and they do transpose, I reckon, to the terraces of Marvel and the MCG at the moment. The correspondent wrote, I've been covering Arsenal for Telegraph Sport for eight years, and I have never seen the Emirates Stadium as consistently anxious as it has been for the past six months.
The nervousness and stress on display for the supporters has been extraordinary and, in my opinion, genuinely damaging for the team. This is the stuff that I believe in. I've seen it in preliminary finals, most vividly in 2023 when Collingwood fumbled its way through the penultimate game against the Giants.
And the huge partisan crowd met every mistake with gasps that infected the playing arena and added to the tension that the players were clearly feeling in the first place in a game that they were expected to win. Right now, it's there in the Carlton and Essendon crowds.
If I'm a Bombers fan, I'm having a serious think about Bronx cheering Ben McKay and how counterproductive that might be for my team and the player. And the mass Carlton walkouts in the second half of games, they're great fodder for the neutral observers. But the vote of no confidence, I reckon, has seeped into the deep-seated psychological disorder that has hold of the Blues players.
A fan base is a living, breathing part of a club and the environment in which it plays. If the passion is drained and exasperation has set in, then the players feel it. and the audience is waiting for them to fail, and it all becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Chapter 2: How do Arsenal fans feel about their team's performance?
Our Tuesday is stacked, including very soon Scott Hanson, the host of NFL Red Zone. He's going to swing by the studio. His scouting mission in Melbourne is nearing an end. We wanted to share in his experiences across the past week or so. We start our Tuesdays with a leadership portfolio in Luke Hodge. Hello to you, Hodgey. Morning, Gerard. You talk about passion with sport.
We had Scott Withers on Thursday at halftime. Tell you what energy. He brings passion, energy, and to a game that he knows nothing about. He threw us back into the third quarter on Thursday night, and you were pumped up just listening to him, like how much he just loves sport, loves the MCG, 80,000 people in there. Yeah.
But if you're looking as a spectator, you just hope that your players have the same kind of passion as what Scott does for a game or a league that he knows nothing about because... I tell you what, you knew exactly where you stood with him. He shook your hand. He looked you in the eye. He was passionate talking about it. Loved being in Australia. Loved our game.
Unfortunately, sometimes our spectators don't love it as much as what he did on Thursday night. All right, I'm not going to torture you with Carlton today, but I just want to run a couple of things by you. It feels to me, so if I compared you and Patrick Cripps, he is living the complete opposite to the career that you lived. Is that a fair observation?
Yeah, while you're a leader, yes, it would have been. So I never went through a stage where I think this is the third, fourth time that he's been through the murmurs of a coach that's in a bit of trouble. He had the Bolton, had the Teague, had the Malthouse. And unfortunately for him, for Voss, the same murmurs are going at his football club.
So yeah, when I was a leader at Hawthorne, we had a pretty stable off-field. We had a pretty stable coaching staff. Yes, we lost coaches, but that was because they had opportunities to go and lead other clubs. But we always looked at it as you're replacing with someone else who can come in and add something different to your group.
Yeah, so you could sort of say our journeys were polar opposites as leaders. So do you feel for him now? I think there's a bit of PTSD that goes on with these things. Once you've lived through coach sacking, coach sacking, coach sacking, and now there's just seems this grim march to the next coach sacking. Yeah.
And unfortunately, it looks like it's not only affected him, but the other leaders as well. And look, when you're going through some tough times, and I know that when I moved to Brisbane, you went through some tough times as a leader because you know what the kids want to try and do, but they just can't quite execute it.
Or you need to be able to have simple tasks out there that they can all do as a team. And that's outside of the kicks marks handball. And I thought it was a prime opportunity this weekend for Tom Deconing and Silvani. And like there's two players who left your football club, maybe because they got paid more, maybe because they thought there was better opportunity at St. Kilda to play in finals.
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Chapter 3: What psychological effects do fans have on players?
That may have helped Pitnett. If Pitnett turns around and he's got four of his midfielders running into Tom Deconing, guess what? He might run a bit hard. He might be able to be a bit more physical. He might be able to push forward because Tom Deconing is tired from getting himself up off the ground. Because he doesn't want to run, because he's got to run around three or four midfielders,
Because every time he runs past him, he's getting hit in the shoulder, in the arm, in the bicep, in the tricep, anywhere just to delay him from getting to that next contest. This is the small little parts that when you're going through a tough time at a football club, narrow the focus and do have a focus of something that you can all do as a collective. Because guess what?
Win, lose or draw, I can go as a coach or as a leader, I can go back on Monday morning and say, we had this as a target. And guess what? To a man, we held each other accountable and we ticked that box. I'm not saying that.
Make a simple little task as a player, as a collective, as a group, because at the end, if I was a Carlton supporter, and I hate saying this, I'd feel very similar to sit back and go, here we go again. No fight, no anger, no hurt, no passion. And then they sit there and frustrated. So it's a tough, because they've gone through it time and time again, and so have the Bombers. Oh, I'm glad I asked.
Sorry, I've got a little bit more work to do. Sorry. But this is what football does to you. And I'm not sitting back having a go at the Carlton boys because you know that sometimes when you try harder, it doesn't work that way and things go, it gets worse. But just tick the box. Just tick the box and have it crack. So if you make a mistake, make a mistake because you care.
Sorry, Gerard, that's a little bit of a... What's the next topic? That's outstanding! I didn't quite realise we were going to end up there. I'm sweating here, Gerard. It's not because of the heat up here either. And that plays to your demeanour and the way that you played your career. I don't know whether I even want to ask a follow-up. I feel like we got the whole lot.
We're hurtling along in the Carlton story to the point where people are saying Cripps is finished and got to get him out at the end of the year. I just wanted to get your perspective on that. Football's changed. I'm sitting here looking at And I'm sitting there going, he's a much beloved Carlton player, leader. Everyone loves him.
Whether you're bearing for Carlton or not, you respect the way he's gone about his football. You respect the person who he is off the football field. I think I said something about Nick Dacos. No arrogance. They're just nice people. Whenever you see him face-to-face, they're just good, honest people. And it's a bonus that they can dominate a football field.
Changing teams, it's been more acceptable. We're getting more like the overseas where you can swap teams late in your career. I know I did it, and I never thought I'd ever do it before Jordan Lewis and Sam Mitchell did it. Sam Mitchell's a prior captain. Jordan Lewis was an All-Australian, a BNF winner at the Hawks, played over 250 games there. And Mitch and myself had played 300 games.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Luke Hodge share about leadership in sports?
Some are brutal because guess what? In an industry like this, if I know that someone's mentally weak or they're fragile or they're a confidence player, if they make a mistake, guess what I'm saying to them out there, Gerard? I'm trying to get inside that head because... It's a battle out there.
You're trying to win a game of football because it's so much pressure and you can see what happens with wins and losses. So that whiteboard there is purely to get a good understanding of the players and to give the players a little bit of an insight to the opposition. And Draper may have been there to know this and that.
The Bronte one, I've spoken to Jax over the weekend and they took it in the right manner. That's why I'm sort of sitting back. If they took it in a different way, it might be a bit more of a...
of an issue but they've they both know these players so well like it's it's a bit of banter which would be spoken about to and fro so I can understand why people were upset when they initially thought if it was put as a weakness um does that open another can of worms but um I can understand why people cracked it but I spoke to Jackson both Bronte and Jackson they are they are fine with what happened and they're happy to move on because they knew it's not coming from a mean a mean spot but
In the environment that we are, anytime something like that gets leaked out, people always think to the worst and that's what people have done this time. Our leadership portfolio has always been in good hands and maybe never more so than today with Luke Hodge.
We will look toward Fremantle and Hawthorne, maybe a glance back at the Eagles too from what you just mentioned there with Hodgie coming up. The 40 Wings temper text is 0433 98 11 16. Find your personalised bedtime solution with our friendly neighbourhood sleep advisors, 40 Wings, serious about sleep.
Does it not suggest that you're not moving as quickly as you would like? Well, I think that's a bit of an unfair question, to be honest, Gaz. We've got 15 new players on our list. We've had an incredible amount of turnover in the last two years since I've been at the football club. I understand it's been a challenging time for our football club for five years.
But we feel like we're on the right path and it's going to take some time, but we're doing the right things to build a premiership list.
West Coast coach Andrew McWalter and Gary Lyon on 360 last night, a good spirited exchange. What do you think of the Eagles right now, Hodgie? First of all, I like a coach that's happy to stand up for his side and not back down. And when you lose a game that you probably should have won on the weekend, sometimes you just agree with whoever's interviewing you and sort of go along with that style.
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Chapter 5: What are the key points about Carlton's struggles discussed?
Hey, how could you cut him off? How rude. How rude. We'll leave you to the car on the European holiday. Let him have his say. Come on, he was just getting started. I know I should have wound him up, but that's okay, isn't it? So we're running our counselling service, 1300 736 736. You and I just need to take a breath here, Sam. Let's pause. Just bear with me for half a tick. All right, done.
For City Power, Melbourne's weather, cloudy at top of 18. We've just left Mick in the background. He's still going. It's okay. City Power, working in all conditions to keep your power connected, essential as. Now, back to Whiteley. Mick's just getting the Adam Sart somewhere in the background there. Did you find that cathartic or traumatising? What do you reckon?
Mick, Jarvis, Snapper walk into a bar. How are they? Put Mick back on. It was like listening to the Pope speaks the truth. I'm not a Carlton supporter, Gerard, but can we please have more of that? Once a week, a Carlton release session for their supporters. I know you avoid it, but it's needed. It's cathartic.
Listening to that Carlton supporter just now reminds me of when I started going out with my wife in 1986.
Chapter 6: How does the discussion transition to the impact of coaching changes?
I'm a Richmond supporter and went to all the Carlton games. What a great team. Richmond was a basket case back then. Carlton were a powerhouse. Who would have thought Richmond would get three flags? Great call. Ken from Greenvale. Well said. Save me a phone call. 30-year paid up member have refused to sign up due to a lack of proper operations to not go to the games any longer. Paul's in Eltham.
Hello, Paul.
Sorry, have I called the wrong number? Is this SEN, Carlton Psychological Services?
I think it is today, Paul. They're paying for, it's called destiny and fate. They're paying for, it goes right back, right back to Elliot and what he did down there.
They had it good for a very, very long time.
Why they couldn't use and think with, look how quickly, and I've turned this from Carlton to Hawthorne, look how quickly Hawthorne's turned it around. Do you know what we did five, six years ago?
We realised that we weren't that good, that we do have to rebuild, that we do have to build it off a balance and it's the Clarko philosophy of a balance between good senior players and good other players and making good of other players and then bring in a couple of superstars and work your team around that and
Unfortunately, Carlton, they've had it too good for too long, and they've got all the money, they've got all the draft picks, they've got everything, and unfortunately it's backfired on them.
They shouldn't have got rid of Ratton. Ratton was fantastic. So you ask all the other Carlton supporters, they can't understand how they got rid of Ratton.
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Chapter 7: What insights are shared about the upcoming Warrnambool Racing Carnival?
Nailed their picks- When could they be successful? Yeah, that's the question. What's the shortest timeline in which they could be successful? So provided they don't trade everyone like everyone's wanting them to do, are those guys still there? So Wiedering's still there. McCoy's still there. Walsh is still there.
You've got to keep some elements of your senior core and hope they're still playing competitive enough football while the youth comes through. So it's a high wire act. And that's assuming everything goes right. So it probably is a four or five-year block. to pause, reset, re-stump, whatever you want to say, and then come again. Cooper in Eltham. Good morning, Gerard.
That last Carlton supporter was basically saying what we are all going through. I used to love going to the football with my family and friends, but now I can't get anyone interested. I still pay for three memberships. If this club doesn't get the next coach right, I think they will be in trouble. Also, our best and fairest player is in the reserves. Really?
Thanks again, Gerard, for letting me vent a bit. Cooper from Eltham. We all have a...
duty of care to each other here anthony's in northcote i'll just bring anthony in hello anthony how are you jared boys anthony what are you thinking yeah what i'm thinking is exactly what mick was saying i've been saying it for the last two three years they should get him and put him on the board because obviously the board has got no idea what they're doing
Might join the board being a two-time SEN caller of the year, Gerard. He might go back-to-back, Mick. Just quickly, suggestion. Sorry, did you have anything actual that you wanted to say? Sorry.
Go on. I agree totally with everything he said. Everything.
To the T. Okay. Thanks, Anthony. Hopefully, we're doing a little bit of a public service. Sorry, Sam. No, no need to apologize. The suggestion from all parties just quickly here is that the Elijah Hollands findings will be out this week, most say tomorrow. So timing, obviously, not as important as what's actually in the findings.
From what I'm hearing, perhaps given the lawyers involved, as they always are in cases like this, this will be detail light in its explanation. I don't pretend to know what outcome or what sanction, if any, Carlton will receive. I'm not sure those craving chapter and verse, of which there are many... are going to be in any way satisfied by these findings.
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Chapter 8: How does the podcast conclude with reflections on Dennis Cometti?
Go on. He's just getting started. He's just getting started. He's getting on to the VFL next and the pathways and everything else. I was so invested in that from Mick. I'm a North fan and go to every Blues game in Victoria with my Blues-loving wife. All Mick said is spot on. Even I'm struggling to find positives for the misses at Blues games. I don't enjoy going home with the grumpy misses.
Please, Carlton, fix it. Michael from Clyde. Well, sometimes we just have to come together as a community. It was a little bit unexpected. It's not quite where I thought we were going. You play what you see, as the coaches say, Gerard.
Thanks, Sam.
Good on you. What a half hour to share together. Try McCafe's drinks range. Let's head to Nathan in the newsroom. Nathan, thank you. Sammy, what if it's in the walls? What if it's just in the walls? Daz, this forum should be, my name is Jason and I'm a Carlton supporter. It's been three weeks since my last match. I forgot to put my name to the text.
My wife came into the room and said, that sounds like us. I said, it was Gary from Ballarat. Good on you, Gary. What if it's in the walls? Ah, dear. Is he still going? They've replaced just about all the coaching staff. Don't tell him he's not on. Yeah. All right, we'll come back to footy as we go. Lots of your messages. 40 Wings, TemperTech, 0433-9811-16. The difference is temper.
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Whiteley on SEN. Each Tuesday we touch base with Bharat Sundaresan between his podcast commitments, stumps and bumps. Oh, what a time it's been with the IPL and WrestleMania at the same time. And the new ball which comes tonight and then goes on all of our cricket platforms. Bharat, hello. Hello, Jared. And what about that showdown?
Can we just spend the next 10 minutes talking about the glory of this great sport called Aussie Rules Football? Were you there? Of course I was there, Jared, in my usual sport. And I mean, I've been very fortunate to go around the world and watch some incredible sport in the last 20 years, Jared. But I think this might well be in my top five. Definitely the best game of footy I've ever witnessed.
And just you know, the back and forth nature of it, the great finish and just, you know, just the way the crowd rose with it and then playing, you know, just rode the wave as well. And it's one of those games, Jared, like, and I came back home, like, even though I had been there, I must have watched that last, you know, last 40 seconds or so and Barry scores a goal and then
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