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「40代おじさん」は本当に変わったのか？ note徳力氏と対談：日経クロストレンド https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/watch/00013/02087/?n_cid=nbpnxr_twbn --- stand.fmでは、この放送にいいね・コメント・レター送信ができます。 https://stand.fm/channels/63d3437e70af05f9d1fa0caa
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