Charles and Valentino are joined by special guest Brian Vallelunga, CEO and co-founder of Doppler, a leading secrets management platform often described as "GitHub for secrets."Dive into an engaging conversation about best practices for managing sensitive information, such as API keys and encryption keys, and treating all environment-configured settings as secrets. Brian shares insights on using tools like AWS Secrets Manager, Docker, and Doppler’s seamless integration with popular development workflows, ensuring robust access control and audit logging.They discuss about the severe consequences of data breaches, compelling real-world scams, and the human cost of leaked data. Learn how Doppler helps developers avoid these risks while enhancing productivity. They also explore the intersection between developer efficiency and security, and emerging trends in secrets management like passwordless authentication.Tune in for valuable tips, personal stories, and a peek at the future of secrets management and developer security. Let’s get started!SocialsLinkedIn: Brian VallelungaBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ruby-rogues--6102073/support.
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Hey folks, welcome back to another episode of the Ruby Rogues podcast. This week on our panel, we have Valentino Stoll. Hey now. I'm Charles Maxwood from Top End Devs. And this week we're here with Brian Vallelunga. Now, you are the CEO and co-founder of Doppler. And that's an app that helps manage secrets. You probably have a better pitch than that. So I'll let you explain what you do.
Hey, all. It's great to be here. Yeah, Doppler is a secrets manager designed to be your single source of truth for secrets across all your projects, environments, team members, and infrastructure. So you can kind of think about it like it's get up for secrets. Right.
And I think, I don't know, in the Ruby community, at least where I deal with people, and especially in Rails, right, we kind of understand what the secrets are at your passwords, maybe your, you know, you have your rails master key, which gives you access to the secrets in rails, but you also have like your, what is that? It's a token for your sessions. I can't remember what that's called anyway.
So you need that secret key and yeah, people can compromise your security if you don't have that secured. Are there things besides like passwords and API keys that you consider secrets?
Yeah. Outside of API keys, like a Stripe token, database URLs, encryption keys are typically the ones that we see the most. I also just have a general thought process around this of anything that's configured by the environment should be treated as a secret, so it should be treated like the most sensitive thing. So we recommend to our audience that
You should kind of treat your environment variables and your secrets all the same, right? Your port and feature flag should be treated as securely as your secrets. That way, developers don't need to make the choice of is this secure or is this not? They're always just doing the secure thing by default.
And then the trick is just make that that whole workflow and tooling as developer friendly as possible. So they wanted to go down that path.
Right. So I'm just going to kind of cover the.
basics of how i do this and then maybe you can tell us if there are other ways that you're seeing people do it but uh typically these kinds of things where i see them and i'm sure valentino's in kind of the same boat is they either show up in environment variables and or they show up in um in the rail secrets or and effectively what it is is it's a uh it's an encrypted file
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