The Money Mondays
How Celebs Lose Millions by Saying “No” | Ryan Schinman & DJ Irie 🥂 EP117
Mon, 14 Apr 2025
In this episode of The Money Mondays, Ryan Schinman and DJ Irie reveal how top celebrities miss out on millions by turning down the wrong deals. Ryan shares insider stories from his work brokering $100M+ talent deals, while Irie offers perspective from the front lines of entertainment and branding. If you want to understand the business behind celebrity endorsements, viral fame, and the high-stakes decisions that make or break careers—don’t miss this one.---Ryan Schinman is a top entertainment marketing executive and the CEO of Mayflower Entertainment. He’s known for brokering hundreds of millions of dollars in celebrity, music, and talent deals for major global brands. With a career spanning over two decades, Ryan has worked behind the scenes connecting corporations with A-list talent for commercials, endorsements, and cultural campaigns—making him one of the most influential dealmakers in the industry.---DJ Irie is an internationally renowned DJ, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. Best known as the official DJ for the Miami Heat, Irie has built a powerhouse brand that blends music, sports, and business. He's a sought-after entertainer for global events and corporate partnerships, and also the founder of the Irie Foundation, which focuses on empowering at-risk youth through education and mentorship. With deep ties in both the entertainment and philanthropic worlds, DJ Irie is a cultural connector and respected voice in the industry.Like this episode? Watch more like it 👇Inside the Mind of Tai Lopez: Masterminds, Mentors, and Million-Dollar Insights: https://youtu.be/qlzbbW4hrSwShark Tank’s Daymond John: Life, Best Sales and Business Strategies: https://youtu.be/RkHBezJ3n8sDan Bilzerian Broke All the Rules & It Paid Off BIG: https://youtu.be/yMOCvk_6cxYDan Martell: The Man with the Cheat Code to Money: https://youtu.be/xj_y30BXEyoWatch ALL Full Episodes Here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6k---The Money Mondays is a business podcast here to teach you how to make money, invest money, and donate money by showcasing some of the world's most successful people and how they do the same. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Dan Fleyshman, the youngest founder of a publicly traded company in history, this money podcast gives you an exclusive behind the scenes look at how the wealthiest celebrities, entrepreneurs, athletes and influencers make, invest and donate money.If you want to learn more business and investing while you work to improve your financial life, you're in the right place! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneymondays?sub_confirmation=1Dan Fleyshman,The Money MondaysLearn more here: https://themoneymondays.comWatch all the podcast episodes: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6kLet’s Connect...Website: https://themoneymondays.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-mondays/id1663564091Twitter: https://twitter.com/themoneymondaysLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-money-mondays/about/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@themoneymondaysFB: https://www.facebook.com/The-Money-Mondays-110233585203220/
Chapter 1: Who is Ryan Schinman and what is his background in entertainment marketing?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very, very, very special edition to the Money Mondays podcast because I have a guest that always turns me down.
He turns everybody down for speaking, for podcasts, for interviews, because everybody wants him, but he likes to be behind the scenes where he spends hundreds of millions of dollars with celebrities, brands, TV commercials, and a lot of things that you see in video games and television, he's actually the mastermind behind it.
So our guest, Ryan Shiman, I'm going to have him do a quick two-minute bio so we can get straight to the money.
Thanks, Dan. Thanks for having me. And yes, the $8.72 that you paid me to be here today is definitely worth it.
It was $9.
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Chapter 2: How does Platinum Rye Entertainment innovate celebrity talent buying for brands?
That's all it took to get me on the mic. At the end of the day, though, my bio is pretty simple. I started off as a sports agent. I loved it. At 19, I was... probably the youngest guy in history to be a sports agent. I did that for a little while. Then I was the CMO of the first publicly traded sports marketing company when I turned 26.
And what I realized, what I really enjoyed was working on the brand side versus working on the talent side. Working on the talent side, you're pitching talent all the time. You're kind of selling. My vision was, how do I become a buyer? And in 98, I started a company called Platinum Rye Entertainment.
And our entire vision was if corporations would buy talent, music, and celebrity and athletes, the way they bought media through one vertical, you get cost savings, cost avoidance, and value add. So what does that mean? Essentially, it's collective buying. Why does someone like Pepsi use OMD to buy media instead of hiring three smart people to buy their media?
OMD is buying on behalf of 40, 50, 60 companies. So when they're calling Condé Nast or Van Wagner Outdoor, they're calling NBC, they get cost savings, cost avoidance, and value added. And that was kind of the vision behind Platinum Rye, which I sold in 2004 to Omnicom. We sold the International 2007 to them.
Stayed a long time, started a lot of other businesses, digital marketing businesses, a nightlife business, an event marketing businesses, which have all been sold. And today I'm the CEO of Mayflower Entertainment, which is essentially Platinum Rye 4.0, where we buy hundreds of millions of dollars worth of talent, music, celebrity, and music licensing on behalf of brands.
And again, Dan, we represent the brands, the ad agencies, the corporations, not the talent.
Managing talent like babysitting?
I mean, it wasn't fun, especially because I wasn't managing Tom Brady or Rihanna. So at the end of the day, when you have third, fourth, and fifth round draft choices or a second round basketball player that you're begging to get a local car deal with or doing just a trading car deal at the time, much better being on the branding side. But look, a lot of babysitting too, Dan.
CMOs, CEOs, heads of corporate communications can even be sometimes more challenging than the talent themselves. Right.
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Chapter 3: Why is leverage important when negotiating celebrity endorsement deals?
Two, knowing if there's conflict. So if it's a beverage brand, Do they already have a beverage complex so you don't look like an idiot when you call and say, I'd like to have you for X, Y, and Z beverage? Knowing the price points, knowing the attributes, knowing the analytics behind it, but more importantly, it's having that leverage that I was talking about of spending and the buying power.
So if someone's going to be a half a million dollars to do something, I better be getting it for 375 or 400 grand. If someone only wants to do two posts, I better be getting four or five. Someone wants to fly private, I sure as hell hope they're going to fly commercial for me. And that doesn't mean they're best friends with me.
That doesn't mean they love me or we're really brilliant negotiators at Mayflower Entertainment. It's pure and simple. It's called leverage. And that's it. So we're CAA's biggest commercial buyer, WME's biggest commercial buyer, UTA, all the record labels, all the publishers' biggest buyers.
So not only do we have that inside knowledge of inside baseball, of really what's going on, but we have the leverage and we also know what they've gotten for other endorsement deals. So I think anybody, like I said, can get to somebody. It's another thing to know their worth, know what they'll do or not do, and negotiate a great deal on behalf of the brand.
How do you think celebrities or athletes can stay consistent? Because a lot of them flare up and they fade away or they have one hit wonder and they fade away. They have a huge career and then they fade away. How can they stay consistent to make you still want to pay them?
I think it's pretty interesting because back when I started, essentially 30 years ago, You'd have to win five Grammys to be relevant. You'd have to be on a TV show that lasted 10 years on CBS. You'd have to have four or five big blockbuster movies. I think the problem now for talent is we live in a world of instant celebrity, which you would know more than I do.
Someone we've never heard of today, legitimately in 30 days could have 50 million people following them on YouTube. They become hot for the moment. So what happens with that is We have, as someone who represents brands and companies, we have so many more people to choose from. It used to be very Casablanca-esque, line up the usual suspects.
And it'd be the same 10 girls, 10 guys, 10 athletes that everyone cared about. Now, how quickly can we get on board that train that when someone has a quick hit that goes viral and all of a sudden they're number one, we can't wait six months to do a spot. We got to do something now. Both of our good friend Gary really talks about that all the time at VaynerMedia, which is, What are you doing?
We got to pounce on this idea now. We got to pounce on the moment now. How do we create a piece of content that pairs with what's going on to stay relevant? But I think, you know, it's very hard if your talent, like I said, you know, Brad Pitt's not going anywhere, but he's really not on social media. So he's great to be the face of Brioni. Right.
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Chapter 4: How can celebrities and athletes maintain consistency and relevance in their careers?
An unnamed talent that I can tell you that's probably one of the biggest female pop artists in the world. One of our brands offered her $20 million to be in an ad. And you know what she said? No, thank you. Thank you for the opportunity, but no thank you. So... Whoa. It shows how much money the top AAA talent is making. And...
What happens is sometimes also, Dan, not to kind of throw you a curveball, but the A- and B-plus list talent sometimes think that they could also do what Kim's done with Kim's or what Rihanna's done with Fenty or what, you know, the Paul's done and KSI for Prime or Mr. Beast with Feastables. That's very difficult. That's the 1% of the 1% of the 1%.
And even that, we don't know how long those brands are going to last. So, you know, I would say the biggest faulty of a lot of this talent is when they're hot at the moment, they don't capitalize. They say, oh, I'm holding out for Chanel or I'm going to hold out for $5 million. And then a year later, they're calling back and being like, excuse me, Mayflower, can you bring us some brand deals?
And you're like, oh, I thought you were starting your own jewelry company. And now you want to do this. So... I think you got to capitalize.
I think the most famous moment was, I remember years and years ago when Jeremy Lin, there was something called Linsanity in New York when he played with the Knicks and we would bring him so many deals and he would turn down so many deals and his family who was kind of involved would be like, no, no, no, we're holding out. We're holding out. We're holding out. A year later,
There was no such thing as Linsanity, and he should have taken the millions and millions of dollars that were offered to him for people to capitalize at that moment. So the town and their managers and agents have to be managed right. There's nothing worse than me negotiating or someone on my team negotiating with an imaginer, agent, or lawyer. It's good to believe in your client.
It's good to believe that they're Rihanna or Tom Brady or Messi, but not everybody is. So pounce, do the deal if it makes sense. And go on to the next.
So you've done it for a lot of food brands. I remember last year you did like five or six or seven of the biggest commercials in the world. And you did these celebrity deals. So when a brand comes to you, let's call it a KFC McDonald's type brand, they come to you and they're like, okay, pick the talent or maybe they have a talent in mind. How do you decide...
1 million, 5 million, 10 million, 20 million equity. Like how do you come up with these things?
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Chapter 5: How do brands decide on the right celebrity or talent for their campaigns?
Whatever fits the brief. What's also nice is we're not trying to step on the toes of their ad agencies or their PR agencies who are coming up with the brilliant creative that the talent needs to be in or the brilliant creative that I need to plug in a piece of music to or the amazing creative that an athlete wants to tie themselves to.
And I think what's important is we try to sit at the epicenter because when you have the ad agency and the corporate communications agency, they sometimes don't talk. You would think they would, but they don't a lot of the time. So sometimes what happens is the PR or corporate communications or digital agency is working on something. The ad agency is working on something.
And if we're at the epicenter, we can say, hey, wait, you want this person to develop content and show up at these three things as you're launching a new product. It's the same time as the ad agency is coming up with new creative. Why don't we get one talent to do both? And that way, the right marries the left.
So what sometimes happens when we're not involved is ad agency will come up with great creative. PR agency will come up with great kind of ancillary material and content, which is sometimes even more relevant than the hero spot nowadays. But they're not talking.
So we need to kind of be there and say, hey, guys, let's all work together and figure out to get the assets you need, get the assets you need. And here's the right person to do it and go from there.
So you mentioned that multiple of the companies have been acquired and you've gone off and acquired some companies along the way as well. Why is it important? Why are some of these media companies buying each other? Why are they buying you? Why are you buying companies? Like, why is that happening in this space?
Well, I think at the end of the day, I don't care if it's a CPG company like Pepsi buying Poppy last week or, you know, Hershey's buying companies or, you know, everybody's buying companies. I think, you know, P&G buys companies, Unilever buys companies, Colgate-Palmolive. I think what happens is,
People have bigger companies that we can talk about the media companies in a second, but even in traditional companies, they innovate, but people are risk averse there. People will get a great salary or in departments if they take risks. they're sometimes penalized for it if it doesn't work out. The entrepreneurs are entrepreneurs for a reason. And they're not afraid to take risks.
They're not afraid to be bold. They're not afraid to try stuff and pivot and see what works. And then ultimately, you get acquired by someone who says, wow, I wish we would have thought of that, developed that, marketing that. And that's also why you hear of when, for example, I was an investor in Sir Kensington and we sold to Unilever. The brand was so great.
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Chapter 6: Why are media and marketing companies acquiring each other in today's market?
And by the way, you need a production company? I'm going to introduce you to one. You know, you want a great director? I'm going to introduce you to one. You want a great PR company? I work with 30 of them. Let me introduce you to the people who've done great by my brands. And I think... It's that circle that also us in this community all know each other, respect each other.
I know the best five to 10 PR agencies that if one of my clients says, I need a good, great entertainment PR agency, here you go. I don't ask for money. I don't ask for commission. What I ask the PR agencies for is, hey, if any of those people ever want talent, think of us. They want music. They want a booking. They want a DJ to perform. They want someone to give a speech. That's what we do.
And I think by staying in your lane, you're going to be really successful in trying to be everything to everybody.
So you've also done some really creative, cool deals that are in the rapper space and athlete space and DJs and music space where you're placing them in video games. Video games have massive budgets. I don't think people realize the video game industry dwarfs the movie industry.
It actually makes it look tiny when you really think about the math behind the hundreds of billions of dollars that happen in the video game space. Talk about going in and getting the cool rappers and athletes and placing them in some video games.
I think without naming the video game companies we work with, because we work with all different ones, social games, hardcore games, this and that, I think what... musical talent especially, because we also put athletes and Hollywood stars and influencers in games. But I think when it really comes to music, it's explaining to them that this is a way to hit a different demo,
get out there in a big way, it's more effective than radio. I mean, look, I mean, the days, why do you think all these labels are getting rid of most of their A&R radio department that back in the day you'd go and bring the record to a DJ and be like, hey, play this for me. That's the way to get exposure. I think at the end of the day...
you put a record in a hip game, or you put an artist in a hip game, it can make them relevant to a totally different demo. There was a rapper, I wouldn't even call it a rapper, a very big hip hop rapper that we used last year, in a game, and we did a concert with them in the game, and we helped age down the people who listened. My 12-year-old had never heard of this person before.
All of a sudden, they did a concert in the game, and my 12-year-old's like singing and knowing every record the guy ever did and following them. And you would kind of have that holy cow moment that that piece of content and that record playing
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Chapter 7: How are video games becoming a powerful platform for music and celebrity promotion?
And I think these gaming companies are very hip to the fact that, hey, we're not going to pay top dollar because no different than the radio stations back in the day didn't pay you you know, a lot of money to play their songs on the radio. We're now a voice to the next generation and the future generations. So you want to mess with us. We're going to figure this out together.
What's important to you? What's important to us? Let's put a deal together.
Why do you think it's important for brands to incorporate some type of philanthropy or charity to their brand overarching?
Well, I think it's a great question. I think that some brands do it to check the box. We have to do it. It's something that kind of, if you look back, I think Tom's was one of the first to really be out there and have a one-for-one, buy a pair of shoes, or going to be giving a pair of shoes. And Tom was kind of...
the leader in that now people had done it before and given a foundations and cereals or soda or cars, but he was the first to really bring to the forefront, um, doing great projects by doing good and having a great product and, and, and, and doing good is really important. Um, but I think, Today's culture and today's consumer knows if it's a check the box or if it's something that makes sense.
What I would also say is when a brand says to me, I'd like so-and-so to perform. and it's a cancer awareness charity, why won't they do it for free? Or I know they make a million dollars, but for a hundred grand, that's a lot of money for our charity. I don't understand. What do they think? They're too good for us?
And what I would say, but take a step back, that that person might not have a connection to cancer awareness. That person might have something to do with Amphar or that person may have something to do with Alzheimer's or what's important to them or music cares.
So sometimes a brand aligning with a charity that wants to align with talent, you have to take a step back and say, what's important to that talent? What are the talent's causes? And why don't we support the talent's causes that are important to them? And they might support your cause. But again, the days of...
I'm a million dollars, you should do this for me for a hundred grand because I'm a good cause, are out the window because there are hundreds of charities which are needed in this country. I'm a big believer in it. But I think you also have to listen and understand who makes sense and who has a personal connection to that charity or to that foundation.
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Chapter 8: Why should brands incorporate philanthropy or charity into their marketing strategies?
again from a cliche thing you know a lot of people talk about their family as we're all it's my family it's my work family my family i think you put me aside put me in the back room and interviewed all our employees they would all say yeah we're really a family we love what we do ryan doesn't micromanage he lets us do our thing we're empowered we feel heard we feel respected and
Look, we just brought on someone new, started Tuesday. What day is today? Thursday, two days. One of his employees has been there two days. And in the interview process, they don't come to me first. I let them go for four or five other people. They interview them both ways. The potential employee interviews, my employees, they interview and it's more of kind of an interaction.
Are you the right fit to become part of this family? Because you just can't come in. And I don't want someone who's going to be here a year, two years, three years, or four years. I want someone who's going to be committed to learn and be a part of our family and not leave. You know, kind of like Hotel California. You check in, but you can never leave. But we don't want you to leave.
And I think that it's very hard. We're in a very specialized business. Very hard to train new people. Very hard to bring great people aboard. There's very few specialists that do what we do in music, sports, or Hollywood, or licensing. And when we get them, we don't want to lose them. And if you ever do want to leave, you know, we probably had over 100 people.
And in like 14 years, I can count on two hands how many people left or quit or got fired. And when you're ready to leave, one person in my sports group wanted to go to Golf Digest. I'll make the call for you. One wanted to be a yoga instructor. I don't know where that came from. Let me help you. A couple of them wanted to start their own businesses. Let me seed you.
I learned that from Julian Robertson at Tiger. If I have great people and I believe in them, and they want to go off on their own and do something tangential to my business, how can I support you? How can I back you both financially with monetary capital, but also human capital? Let me find you good employees. Let's talk. How can I help? And I think that's what I'm the most proud of.
And I look back at my career, which is very, very far from over because it's a blessing and a curse. I'm kind of never satisfied. I'm always still hungry for the next deal, the next thing. And my wife will say to me, wow, that spot of yours was amazing with Jennifer Aniston. Didn't you love it? I said, I worked on that deal three months ago. It's over. It's on TV. Great. I've done 80 deals since.
I forgot that one already, but that's terrific that you're enjoying it. And I think it's staying hungry, staying on top of things, training great people, surrounding myself with really freaking smart people. You know, it's very easy to get a 1080 on your SATs, which I get. So I make sure that everybody else is at least above that. But as you can tell, I'm very enthusiastic.
I'm still bullish about our business. I think more and more brands, no matter what sector you're in, want to use athletes, celebrities, influencers, music to sell, right? Because what am I really doing? We're helping people become aware of products and sell, right? We want consumers to buy what we're selling, using talent, music, celebrity, but it works, right? It's always worked.
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Chapter 9: What legacy does Ryan Schinman want to leave for his children and employees?
He is behind the scenes being the magical Wizard of Oz, spending these hundreds of millions of dollars like you've heard about celebrities, brands, TV commercials, video games, everything between Mayflower Entertainment and some of the things that he's been working on, you will see out there on television for the rest of your lives because it sounds like he's still addicted to working for a few more decades.
So as you guys know, with the Money Mondays, the whole goal of this is for you guys to have real life discussions with your friends, family, and followers. We all grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money. I think that's ridiculous. We've got to talk about loans, taxes, bank accounts, balancing a checkbook. Those are real life things in your business and in your household.
You've got to have blunt discussions with the people from your past, present, and future. So share the podcast, themoneymondays.com. I would say check out Ryan Shinman, but why don't you just listen to this podcast and really think about what he's told you because there's very few characters on the planet that that have done what he's done over his career, 30 years of being in this game.
And you can learn a lot. You might want to share this with your friends, family, and followers. We will see you guys next Monday on TheMoneyMondays.com. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays. This is a very special near and dear to my heart episode because I have one of my dearest friends here, like a brother to me. He is someone that travels all over the planet.
I happen to catch him. We're in his hometown, but he's barely ever here because he's flying this way, this way, this way, performing in every city around the planet with celebrities, athletes, hosting his own events, hosting his big annual charity event for I don't know how many years, like 10, 15 freaking years now. He is one of those rare humans out there in the entertainment industry that
that built up a personal brand from being positive and smiling all the time, which I absolutely love his energy. That's also why so many brands, venues, celebrities all have an affinity and gravitate towards him because of his energy. from his smile, from his laugh.
So what we're going to do is on the Money Mondays, we cover three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give it away to charity. But first, we're going to have DJ Irie give a quick two-minute bio so we can get straight to the money.
Let's get it, man. Let's get to the money. DJ Irie, listen, thank you so much for such a kind intro. I appreciate that, man. And listen, when family calls, family shows up, right? So we're here. Listen, I'm a kid that just loved music, right? And music has taken me on such an incredible journey. I started out collecting records. I had an opportunity to DJ an event.
This is like literally like my senior year of high school, right? Ended up working out because everybody was drunk, right? And it ended up being the general manager of Planet Hollywood that I did the event for. And he was really impressed by what I was doing. Ended up giving me an opportunity at Planet Hollywood. This is when Planet Hollywood was like the wildest thing ever. The Vegas casino?
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