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Hello and welcome to the Talent Trade. This is Stephanie Moss with Thinking Ahead Executive Search. Super excited to be here today with one of our rock stars from the nonprofit team, Heather Campbell. Heather, welcome. Thank you. Go ahead and tell us a little bit about you and anything you think our listeners would want to know.
My name's Heather Campbell. I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, born and raised Minnesotan. I've been with Thinking Ahead for a little over five years now, started in April of 2019. I'm on the nonprofit team, and I focus on working with nonprofits that really work with human rights, equity, and equality, as well as the social impact spaces.
Well, welcome. We're super excited to have you here. And another thing that I'm super excited about is kind of your topic. I remember many years ago learning from kind of one of Thinking Ahead's gurus and him saying at one point that at the end of the day, if a search is meant to come together, it will with or without us. And he shared that to kind of take the pressure off, especially because when he shared it with me, quite frankly, I was rather new to the practice. But at the same time, he also said, but hey, when you have opportunity to earn your keep in a search, kind of take it serious and make sure that you really are, if you're going to be a part of it, make sure you really are earning your keep as a facilitator of that process. And that's something I think that we're going to talk a lot about today with you.
And I love that. I think that prepping and debriefing the candidates and the clients during this part of the process, they probably do great without us. But at the same time, it's that like additional sort of icing on the cake to make sure stuff goes really well. I'm also a big process driven person. So if this is something I could manage in that process, I love it.
And, you know, it's funny, too, because through the years, the folks that we represent, both on the client side and the candidate side, they're not professional interviewers. So I think this is an area where in terms of prepping and debriefing them, we have a huge opportunity to make a difference because oftentimes people are incredible what they do, but they don't know how to advocate for themselves. They don't, you know, hey, it's been five years since I interviewed last or whatever. I'm usually the one doing the interviewing. So I think this is a super valuable topic. So jump right in, walk us through your philosophy a little bit, and then just walk us through how you do what you do.
And so from a philosophy standpoint, prepping and debriefing is just part of our process in general, right? So it's not necessarily... this big new thing or something that I'm sure a lot of search firms do, but I think that we do it really, really well. And I enjoy it. It's actually my favorite part of my job because I get to build stronger relationships with both the client, the hiring manager, maybe some folks I haven't met along the way in the process. as well as then those candidates that obviously there's only one person that typically gets the job. You get to still build relationships with four or five, six other people that you never know throughout your career you may bump into again. So I was going to kind of go over... break it down. What do I do with the clients? And then break it down and probably a little bit longer, what do I do with the candidates as far as the prep goes?
Can we just stop there for a second? Because I want to just spend a minute on the value that you think this brings from a holistic perspective. This was something I was taught very early on in my search career at Thinking Ahead was to prep the clients. And yet, as I've been out networking with other recruiters, attending recruiter events, I've This is a topic that I'm constantly surprised at how many folks don't do this. So I'd love to hear from your perspective, kind of why you're dogged about making this a part of your process.
It's a super important piece of the process so that, again, I can kind of know what's going on and manage how they're going to work. But Again, to your point, oftentimes they're great at what they do, but they are not professional interviewers.
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