Adam Pacman Jones

well gifted but like he enjoyed he he didn't enjoy practice at first and i kind of changed that mentality you don't enjoy practice i'm just gonna dominate your ass and talk shit to you d-hole practice are you because i'm not surprised this were you a massive shit talker yeah yeah yeah in games too yeah what kind of shit would you say i got more liquid than liquid death

So I used to go through, you know how they give you the brochure before the game to see all the players? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would go through the, like, who am I playing today? Let me see which one of these motherfuckers looks soft. And I would Google them. Really? Find out three things about them. And I would just tag them the whole game. I mean, nonstop.

Yeah, everything.

Yeah, I heard your girl left you. How many stepkids you got, bro? Like, I was bad. Yeah, I believe it. It was bad. Like, now that I look back at it.

Yes, I have.

That do break.

AB was one of those guys that never broke. I would talk so much shit to him. He would be catching the ball. I'm like, you're supposed to catch the ball, nigga. Your daddy went pro. You get to skip the fucking line, bro. He would just shut up, pack, and do his little first down thing. T.O. was a good shit talker.

Yes. When I played against him, I said a lot of shit to him. When I played with him, uh in dallas i am pretty i ain't like we would talk chirp in practice like yeah you could sit on hard knocks but it wasn't that bad but it's a couple guys that just couldn't take it though right i'm talking about you can two drop balls yeah bitch in the tank yeah yeah um i'm gonna tell you

I'm going to tell you the one who really couldn't take it. Yeah, yeah. Trash. What's his name? Went to Ohio State. Played with Cleveland. God damn it, I can't even think of his name.

Oh, I wish you'd know this. He was garbage. Garbage. Garbage. Damn, what's his name? I don't know his name, but if you look at the clip, it's garbage. Y'all know what I'm talking about back there in the back? Help me out.

Well, that was probably one of the best clips ever. He couldn't take it. Like, I was getting his head so bad, bro. You could Google it. Google it. It's probably a pop writer.

Garbage.

Garbage. Garbage.

No, he was talking a lot of shit earlier.

He was talking shit to the media earlier in the week. And I told him, like, bro, you ain't going to catch a ball, bro. You a quarterback. They got you playing receiver. You suck, bro. Yeah. I think he had one catch for like four or five yards. Goddamn. He couldn't take it, though.

I mean, like, bro, I'm looking in his eyes. He had the expression, like, will you just please? Yeah. Just leave me alone.

Like, no, I'm on your ass today, buddy. All the way till we leave this motherfucker. And back in the locker room. Garbage. Best part of that clip right there was a garbage can right there. I was like, hey, y'all see the real part of it? That's in there?

Not in the league pretty much. Everybody dogs pretty much to a certain extent. Then you got a couple guys that make it because of what they know or agents and such and such like that. And in college, yeah. Yeah. A lot of guys. A lot of guys. I've seen. Soft. Soft.

Are you asking me?

No. First day I walked in with Virginia, I told her, I got three years here. I'm getting the fuck out of here. You knew it that early? I got, man, I should call one of my teammates. Okay. He'll tell you like, hey, Pac told us.

That he only got three years in this motherfucker.

On day one.

On day one. This is my boy's dad on like four Audi dealerships.

I'm going to just have him say, hey, what did I tell you the first day y'all seen me in practice? Hopefully he answered.

Bro, you fucked up. Needed you on this call right here. He'll call back. But, like, yeah. I've never thought, like.

I never had a doubt.

No, bro. I knew where I didn't want to go back to. Right. Which was the fucking projects. In Atlanta. Yes. I'm like, this is my past. I got to figure out how to make this work. And I was always very talented in all the sports I played, which was basketball, track, and football. I like... I knew, like...

I knew, I don't know, like some people know, like I've never thought of really doing anything else growing up as a kid, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure. I wrote a poem at what, second grade? Might be first or second grade. It was like, Jones, my name, basketball, football, my game. One day, I'm going to be rich, and we're going to go to the Hall of Fame. Wow. And, like, I have the palm.

And the crazy part about it, it's on, like, a wash sheet. I don't know how to explain it. Like, it's blue coming down to brown. And I drew a picture at the end of it of a bunny on a bike throwing up the deuces. I don't know how I thought of that at that age. But, yeah, like, I've never... I had intentions of doing anything else. But just playing this game. I had one job. What was your job?

The fight was bullshit. But I will say this. Yeah. I don't know about the people that was at home. what happened with Netflix, but Netflix showed their ass. I thought it was one of the best experiences I've been to as a fight. When I look back at it, you do things for experience. At the end of the day, was the fight that good?

I worked at Crystal's for two days.

Yeah. Okay. And the second day, I pretty much sold the whole goddamn store. I had everybody from the projects coming up getting Crystal cheeseburgers. I'm like, bro, this is not for me. Yeah. My bro was like, you should just try. I'm like, no. Nah. Nah. Two days. Probably gave away 600 burgers. Wait, gave away? Yeah. I thought you meant you were selling them. Hell no. Hey, bro.

All my boys in the projects, y'all better get up here right now, boy. This is my last day doing this shit. This is not for me.

You're like, oh, yeah, that shit was free. Yeah. I don't know why they put me at, like, the cash register knowing that it was my first job. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm working the to-go window. I'm like, these folks crazy. These folks are fucking crazy. Just come by. Hey, what you want? $5 even. Just come on around to the front. Yeah. There you go. Hey, buddy. The whole project's coming.

Y'all better come up here today, bro, because this is going to be my last day.

No, but the experience of how they set everything up, having who's who in the right spots and sections, It was unbelievable. The fight was some shit, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the Jerry World.

If I rewind back time and I was going to college right now, I would probably get four-year. They getting paid.

I like it.

Oh, yeah. So I was committed to Georgia Tech. You're committed to Georgia Tech. I was committed to Georgia Tech. Stay home, basically. Play at home. I was going to stay home. I had offers from everywhere. Georgia, Notre Dame, NC State, Tennessee, Miami, Florida. I pretty much could have went anywhere besides Michigan and Ohio State.

And first I wanted to stay home. Then my grandma got sick with cancer. I was like, I got to get away from here. Just so mentally. Yeah. It don't drain me. Yeah, yeah, sure. But, yeah, Shane Gailey was the coach at Georgia Tech at that time. Yeah, I almost went to Georgia Tech. And then my boy Karen Fox –

who went to Georgia Tech, who went to high school with me, played in the league for a good little while. He was like, bro, this school shit hard as fuck. I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah, man, we got to go. I said, y'all doing all the work? Um, that one's off the list. Yeah. And so, the visit I went to West Virginia, we wasn't doing no goddamn work. Work was football. Yeah, yeah.

This sounds like what I want to do right here. So, yeah. And Rodriguez and Coach Bird and Coach Gibby, um, it was really good to me. Coach Rod is a player's coach, right? No, Coach Rod is a coach coach. Coach Rod, um, First of all, he's disciplined. But he's what I needed, I should say this. Because I've never really... I don't like soft coaches.

I want you to tell me when I'm right, when I'm wrong, how I'm doing it, the way to do it better. It's your fucking job. You know what I'm saying? And some guys, they like the soft coaches. Coach Rod is... He's a player's coach, but... If you want to get better, you want to win, this is the kind of coach you want. He's not one of them soft, easygoing coaches.

It comes from the bottom of his heart, though. He's a great dude. And, like, you respect it.

Yeah.

I was first defense. I know. I don't know what the mental is. My confidence has never changed. Yeah. Like... I think I can do, I might can't tell a joke better than you, but anything physically, physical, or athletic-wise, I feel like I'm the best in anything. Yeah. And I've never not thought, oh, hold on a minute. Hey. It's funny. Hey. What's up? Say hey to Tom. What's up, man?

I totally agree.

Tom, what's happening? How you doing? Hey, we're doing a show right now. What did I tell you the first day I walked in the locker room? Looked like you had the dealership, huh?

Mike, I don't know, bro. And I love Mike. Mike is my guy. He actually had, I got a picture of him in Juni when Juni was like a year and a half old. So, a deal of respect for him as a person and a friend. But I wasn't sold on the fight. And I lost a lot of money begging with his ass.

He's not lying, man. Sitting there, like, yo, bro, I'm not coming here to stay, bro. This is not home to me. It is home, but I'm out of this motherfucker. Y'all better get everything y'all can get out of me in these next two and a half years.

Yeah.

That's what I'm waiting for. Man, your ass don't want to play no golf. What?

Oh, it was crazy. I'll never forget it. It's different between having a couple hundred thousand.

Then you get one check and you got $8 million in your bank account. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I was like, hell yeah. Go buy every motherfucking thing.

The first big ticket item was about 60 acres.

My crib in Nashville. That was the first big ticket. I spent 1.8 for it. And I bought my mom a house. Cars galore. Yeah. I'm a big car guy, though.

Um... First, well, I bought a Calette. That's when the EXT was out. The CTL convertible was the first year they came out, 2006. I spent like $1.20 on that one. But the Bentley, I had a Bentley and Lambo. Damn. Two months later, I think I spent,

like 190 200 on the Bentley the Lambo was like 225 yeah this is good shit man Cadillac truck the week after that so you went hard yeah I did I probably like I was good though cause I took some of that and couldn't touch it for like 10 years. Oh, you put it in like a trust account or something? Y'all want to tell everybody about my business? Yeah, yeah. But sure. Where you put yours at?

Trust account. That's what I'm talking about. So we ain't, they can't sue us for it. Some people don't understand that. Good luck, motherfucker. Good luck, motherfucker. Touch me again, I'm going to whoop your ass. Then you get some of this money, you're a fool. No, I'm just playing. But yeah. So wait. Motorcycles. I'm a big motorcycle guy, four wheelers.

Well, I went to Miami one weekend, bro. And this was like my second time going to Miami. And I got in like a bottle war. Mm-hmm. Oh, at a club? At a club. Which was the dumbest shit ever.

Yeah. This one, Trina and Trick Daddy, that's when, this was 2000, 2006. That's when the beach was cracking. Like, everybody was there. Yeah.

Who's Who was on South Beach. And I just so happened to be sitting right beside them. And I was like, whatever bottle they buy, I'm going to buy two more. Yeah. And what I didn't realize was I don't think they was paying for their bottles. They were getting free bottles. Yeah. And they were like, but you. Yeah, and my tab ended up being like $76,000.

I told that dude, I don't know who ordered all that. But, bro, no, no. And at that time, I didn't even know what Cristal was. Them fucking bottles was like $2,000. Come on, man. I'm like, bro, you know, I'm young. You know, not thinking how high these bottles really are. Yeah. Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest things that I would like to take back, that $80,000 tab.

Everything else, like... What's the most you ever dropped at a strip club? 80K. That's pretty fucking intense. Yeah, I won a million dollars in Vegas. Oh, okay. When I got in trouble that night. Really? And I took $100,000 to the club.

Won a million dollars.

Yeah, playing craps. That was the night I got in trouble, bro. Really? They rolled me back to, I was at the Palms at the Michael Jordan party. I can't tell all this, like how I want to tell it. But I was at the Michael Jordan party at the Palms Hotel. And I ended up winning a million dollars. They took me back in a fucking brink truck back to Caesars Hotel. I had the whole top floor at Caesars.

And you know how much a million dollars is in cash in hundreds. I'm quite sure you know that's a lot of money. It's a lot. It's the equivalent of, how do I explain this? Maybe 100,000 wands. Yeah, it's just like. So I have enough room to put the money in. So I had to go to all of the rooms. I had like 20 rooms on the top floor. I'm going to each room, putting in the code, putting 50 in this one.

50 in this one. Because I had nowhere to hold the money. And I was damn sure I wasn't going to leave my whole million dollars in one room. My stepdad actually...

r.i.p red um he didn't believe the room after i wanted me he just stayed stayed in the room for me really just like yeah yeah that's cool yeah he's one-on-one i'm missing bro he was a good dude good for me yeah that is also uh you talk about experiences i can't imagine the rush of winning a million dollars yeah So the most I've won is a million one time. I don't want like 300,000 a couple times.

I don't lost. The most I've lost? That's a good question. Probably like 300.

Yeah.

Yeah. I play blackjack too, but like.

I love it. Because, I'm saying, seven, you out of there.

On the first roll, you went on seven, you left. If you roll two, three, or 12, you lose. In the casino, you don't lose up top when you roll 12, but... I was betting $4,000. A roll? Every number. Every number. So every time I'm rolling, unless I go out, I'm winning $4,000. Wow. So I caught fire. Yeah. I done caught fire a couple times. And I'll take them down. So let's just say I hit six numbers.

at 4,000, five, four, six, five, nine. And then I turn them off and then let it go. But like, yeah, I've had some good, a lot of really good times in the casino.

Yeah.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

For eight rounds. I thought the uppercut was there the whole night. Yeah. The whole night. And I've watched Mike Tyson time after time after time after time. And I know, yeah, everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's 54 years old. That does not matter. Aggression and passion for what you do. I can go catch a punt right now. I'm sure you could. If I can get at least... 45 yards.

Yeah.

I'm a ticking time bomb. Like, I can hold my own. I believe that. I've never had. Now, with me and the officer, yeah, probably. But, like, inmates? No. Nah. Because I'm coming in on bullshit time. First of all, I'm probably pissed off that I'm in there whenever I'm going.

And a couple times I'm probably a little bruised up. Yeah, yeah.

That's crazy that you asked me that, T, because I never think about that. Really? Out of all the million times I've been to jail. Yeah.

It's normal. All right, hurry the fuck up and come get me.

And if I got to sit in there a couple days, I don't even want nobody to talk to me.

But I'm just saying, like, because you're... Yeah, they do because they know who I am. That's what I'm saying. But I'll go ahead and cut it off quick. Don't talk to me. Like, hey, man, you know Pac-Man in jail. Shut the fuck up.

First of all, don't do what I do, do what I tell you. You know what I mean? Everything is a business. Coming from college to the league, I see a lot of guys that Forget, like, this ain't college, bro. This is business. We'll win. Guess what? The coach is fucking getting fired. The GM is getting fired. There's going to be some new motherfuckers in here in four years.

So it's really, it's big business. And you are what you put out. Your only good is your last performance. And I understood that. Like, I teach my son. Like, he's probably the third fastest kid in the nation. Third fastest kid in the nation? Yeah, he's real deal. But he understands the process. Like, I have to tell this motherfucker, hey, yo, bro, put the ball down. Like, stop dunking the ball.

We got damn near six basketball goals all the way around the house. He's just always. Like, he understands. I will say this. It's easier for him to understand because he got a picture in front of him of me, Chris, A lot of Vontaze people that he's around, T-Higg, that he kind of tunnel vision? Yeah. I guess.

Yeah, it's hard to explain it, but I guess the best way to say it is you are what you hang around.

Yeah.

Like, he way better than me. Like, I was not where he was at seven years. He just turned seven, bro. Seven? This motherfucker just turned seven and can run 100 up under 13 seconds. Wow. I bet you you can beat him right now in the 100-yard dash.

Yeah, Juney's one-on-one. My oldest daughter, Zaniah, she's at Mississippi State right now. Full ride, getting paid. Nice. She's a track star, too. Jesus, you guys. My middle daughter, Trent, she a pretender. She's really blessed and gifted. But, like, it's hard to get her. She's more of the, no, Dad, I want to do TikTok, Instagram. Okay. She's so gifted and talented.

I might pull my hamstring if I'm going 80. But as far as quick twitch, catching the ball, I don't know if I'll ever lose that. Do you still train, by the way? Yeah, every day. Every day? Not every day, but like three, four times a week.

She actually runs track right now. The coach didn't let her run. She was a freshman running varsity. You know how you got one of them kids that know that they're good and don't want to really like dial into it?

But she'll get there. It'll click. Because she like nice things. If you like nice things, you got to put the work in to get nice things. That's true. And everybody ain't going to be a track star. That ain't for everybody. I'm not pushing that on her. But like, hey, there's some money over here that you might not want to leave on the table.

and get this to go build something else. And that's what I'm trying to drill in our head right now.

Yeah, Curtis' bitch ass who played with the Jets, the receiver, he was a slum bag, bro. Really? Hell yeah. I chased his ass after the game I was trying to get to him because he was – Oh, yeah, it was bad. Curtis? I don't even know his fucking first name. He was 87 or 88 or something for the Jets. Is that Curtis Martin? No, he's a receiver.

He was fucking just blocking after the play, clipped me a couple times. He wouldn't stop. I had to punch him. I got a 15-yard penalty this game, too.

One of these guys.

Pull up Eric Decker picture. Was it Decker? It was. It was? It was Decker. Decker.

Yeah. That's who it was.

Yeah. He was... Bro, I'll never forget this game. I almost fucking... I almost lost it. On him? Yeah. It was Decker. So it was like after the whistle? I chased his ass after the game, too. Like, all the way to the bus. All the way to the bus? Yeah. Yeah.

So... One day, like so, for instance, this week, Monday I ran. So I did two miles on the treadmill, seven point, no, I should say in y'all terms, seven minute miles. Okay. So two miles, 15, 14 minutes, walk a minute.

Yeah. Man, um... Me and Kelsey, we had a couple little conversations too. I used to fuck with, yeah, it was funny.

Yeah. Well, not receiver-wise because it's a lot of really good white receivers. Like slot receivers. Like for real. That can fucking route your ass up. Yeah. Amidola. Yeah. Danny was on my team. He was on practice squad. he wasn't even on the roster when we first went to Dallas. And I would tell him, like, this little motherfucker, he got juice. Like, got juice.

And a lot of guys, I should say white receivers, a lot of white receivers, get looking over because they just don't run that fast, but they play fast. Right.

Yeah, like, way fast, in and out of breaks and all of that, but 40 times, it might not be a 4-3, it might be a 4-5.

Yeah, and Jerry Rice don't drop too many balls. No, he's got pretty decent hands, I've heard.

I'm not a Rice fan, but like for the most part.

I've met him one time. I ain't going to say he ain't cool. I don't know. From me looking at him from afar, I haven't been. He wasn't one of the guys that I looked up to. I'm more like a bad boy guy. I like Mike Earp. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? Because he's somebody I can relate to. LT? LT. Love LT.

I love everything about LT. I was chilling with him not too long ago. Really? Drunk a whole fucking bottle. I was like, bro, are we going to really drink? He's like, you sit right here or you're going to drink it all with me. LT. Jesus Christ. He's one of one. One of one. Unbelievable person. And can hit a fucking golf ball too.

uh quick lift all light weights on monday nothing over like 30 pounds um just get everything moving yeah yeah um wednesday is like my workout day that i still do db drills you do yeah so like you're actually like backpedaling turn twitch all of that because i'm around a lot of kids that i'm teaching right now and if my ain't right oh really yeah yeah

The football is unbelievable. He's by far the best football player that ever played the game. Yeah. But besides that, he's an unbelievable fucking person. Like, unbelievable. Like, I can't. He a good shit talker, too, now. Oh, yeah. Ooh, what? The original. Well, anything you're doing with him competing, shit, you might well get ready. Yeah. You might well get ready. I talk a lot of shit.

How you come up with this? I've been beating your ass all morning. You know what I mean? Like, well, this is the first hole, LT. He's like, nah, I was beating your ass all morning. While you was sleeping, I was already beating you. So he's a good shit talker.

Yeah, I don't fuck with nothing in Pittsburgh. I don't even date girls from Pittsburgh when I was dating. You got to realize, like, I've never had a reason to like Pittsburgh.

Made it even worse. Yeah, so my whole... Life, I should say, me being a grown-up, I don't, that's just. You don't fuck with Pittsburgh. Yeah, and I mean that. My boy came to my house and had the nerve to wear a fucking, I wasn't there. So they come in town. It was actually the week that Cincinnati played Pittsburgh. It's after football, too. And I get in, I walk down, like, You know what it was?

It wasn't even a jacket. I mean, a jersey. It was a blanket.

The blanket. Yeah. I said, hey, bro. Take that shit and put it outside, bro. Do not bring that shit in the house. He looked at me like I was tripping.

So I walked back upstairs. He goes back in the studio. Because I got a recording studio down at the bottom where I do my music and stuff. So I'm saying, I wait about 10 more minutes. I'm waiting. I'm looking at the cameras, though, to see if this motherfucker gonna walk out the door with this fucking thing, this piss bird shit. He sit his ass down there. Again, about four or five more minutes.

I walk downstairs. I said, man, didn't you hear what the fuck I just told you, bro? I said, take that shit out of my house. And he was, like, startled. Like, I was dead ass for real, too. Like, no for real. Get it off. That's one thing. And, like, Of course, like, I have to commentate about different things, which I'm not biased on that part.

But I am biased about anything else when it comes to Pittsburgh. Yeah. Like, I have zero love for that. Did he end up taking it out? I mean, I'm an athlete. We go to Pittsburgh. That's a trip that you don't need me on. Yeah. I'm not walking in there. Yeah.

No, I made him take it. It was his blanket, so I didn't want to be too rough on him. But hurry up and get that shit out of here, bro. Yeah. Anybody that know me, they know. Yeah. The only thing, he ain't fucking with them.

It's good for me to be where I'm at right now and can still move. You know what I mean? Yeah, so that's Wednesday. And then Friday is Hell Friday. So I do squats, lunges.

And I like Mike Tomlin.

As a person. Sure. I ain't going to fucking Mike Tomlin party. Not while he with Pittsburgh, anyway. He move somewhere else, I might go. But no, that's just me, man. I'm loyal to a team. And I don't fuck with black and yellow. That's just one team I don't fuck with. I get it, man. Not college. Not Little League. High school, definitely not the pros. And definitely not any Pittsburgh restaurants.

Anything, Pittsburgh. I don't fuck with the baseball team. Pit beef. Hockey team.

Yeah. The airport. The airport. You ain't gonna catch me in that, motherfucker. Yeah. They got to pay me a real big bad for me to come to Pittsburgh. And I ain't talking about no loan.

Um. I'm really like a loving and caring person. You know what I mean? If I fuck with you, I fuck with you. I think that's, everybody think I'm so like unapproachable. Because I do have an on and off switch.

I am approachable in certain circumstances.

Like, I'll give you the shirt off my back. But they better not fuck with you. Not while I'm right there. You know what I'm saying?

People keep thinking that I'm dumb. I don't think you're dumb. It might help me in the long run. I am dumb. I'm dumb. Okay. How the fuck am I this dumb? Oh, my God. You're not dumb, dude. I just look like this. And then you see the guys that I hang around. If you hang around dumb people, you'd be dumb. I don't hang around no dumb people. You have a lot of smart friends. You are one of them.

I don't know, T. My body do hurt. It does, right? It does. It hurt more, though, when I'm not doing shit. I believe that. So if I take, let's just say a month off, which that, that ain't happened since, I don't know when, but if I take two weeks off, oh, my neck hurt, my back, oh, hamstrings. But like, I think when I'm working and not, not, not really killing myself. Yeah.

Thank you.

I mean, the Pac-Man Jones show. Politely Raw on all platforms. Also... my music is the real Pac-Man Jones. Um, I got some new music that's coming out. It's been doing pretty good. And you know, shout out my boy Pat McAfee. I'm on there off season. Nice. Um, so yeah, it's been good, man. I've truly been blessed to be around a lot of good people to learn a lot of good things. And, um,

I don't take it for granted to have a relationship with a certain

network of people um is what they say it's not about it ain't about what is how does it say it's a it's not about what you know it's about who you know um it's a lot of smart people in this world and I'm definitely not the smartest person in the world I'm very dumb and it's good to have smart people around my dumb ass because they can help me I guess get smarter, you know what I mean?

And I don't take it for granted. Definitely don't take it for granted. Like all my relationships, I kind of like keep them right here, tucked in.

My Rolodex is pretty long.

Jerry is like my dad to a certain extent. Shout out to the Cowboys, Jerry Jones. Was that an awesome experience? It was. It was.

yeah you ever shit on the gold toilet we got money but like no i've never shot i've never thought about buying gold toilets he has those i never i remember that was like a even the before his presidential stuff that was a trump thing that they were like oh his apartment in manhattan has a gold toilet jerry jones had gold toilets shit as long as i'm talking this go all the way back i'm quite sure he had that house for god knows when but

Man, I'm talking about everything in the bathroom fucking gold, bro. Like, no, little gold. I'm talking about real gold. Real gold. Yeah. Like, that was my first time even knowing what a bidet was. Yeah. What the? Oh, my God. What is this? What we got going on?

Did I say it right? Bidet? Bidet. Bidet. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. I got one of those now. It's the best. Shout out. Jerry turned me on.

Everything in Jerry's, every bathroom, all the bathrooms that I went in when I stayed at Jerry World were gold. That's wild. Yeah.

Yacht crazy.

You see the toilet?

Tell you, bro, that ain't the bathroom, though. That is not his bathroom.

I'm talking about Jerry Jones there.

That's fucking nuts.

That's what I haven't been on, though. I got to ask Jerry. You got to hit him up. Hey, bro, let me get the yacht, Jerry.

Yeah.

225 million? Yeah. There's levels to this shit. There's levels to this shit. That's pretty crazy.

Just actively doing something. Yeah. Um, it's a little better on me. Um, when I sit down, I'm like, hang on, like, Of course we got, like my hand, I can't even move this one. Really?

He's always been good to me, even after football. Really? Yeah. certain investments, certain things I've done to still be able to live the way that It's comfortable, I should say. He got a big part of that.

He's somebody I can run ideas and money by.

He's a real deal.

We'll start off with like five grand.

And then we'll see what we come back with.

Oh, we're going to hit something. Then we're going to go out. We play to win the game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Out of my whole body, I would say my hands hurt the most. Seriously. Like that's why I'm always doing this. Like if you ever see me doing this, that's because my shit be like.

Yeah. Fuck. Just catching them punts and punching, tackling.

You definitely can coach someone into it. You got to have good hands, though. You do. It ain't like you can just go out there and not have hands and do it. Right. Especially in the NFL. Oh, my God. They kick the ball. It's a fucking seven-second hang time. So, one, two, the ball is still up there. Three, four, God damn it. Five, six. Oh, seven. Here it comes. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So, I think NFL and... college is really different. Because you got the rugby style kicks where in college, really not getting that much hang time on it, but it's going in the direction they want it to go. In the league, that rugby kick is a good kick, but you got to be able to put some hang time on there.

Because if you don't got no hang time, if you up under four seconds of hang time, that's bad. Like, that's a touchdown almost. Like, immediately.

I can speak for me. I've never thought in my whole career that the first guy could tackle me. That's why I didn't fair catch. I think my one-two is way better than this fucking guy right here.

I don't. Every time I catch that bitch, I expect to make a move and beat the first guy. And nine times out of ten, that's pretty much what happened. I done got hit a couple of times. But, like, I just, I trust in myself. I trust if I got a step. Like, if you... Right there where you at. I feel I can beat you.

I don't feel nobody can tackle me right here. Because you got to let me catch the ball. That's first and foremost. Yeah. So my action is going... You got to react to mine.

And I think my first two steps is one of the best ever first two steps when it comes to being a punt returner. And it speaks for itself. Like... I love Hester, I'm not throwing no hate on Hester. Josh Cribs, great returner. All those guys got a lot of fair catches. And still an average pretty much more yards than me. I don't fair catch the ball.

And I think that's the difference between me and a lot of other returners. If you go back and look and see, how many times did he fair catch the ball in his whole career? Fucking probably 11 times. For real?

Maybe.

Right. Like me and you were fighting. Hey, people.

Yeah, it's, I don't know. I just, I believe in me. And I trust the guys up in front of me now. I do cuss their ass out if I get hit. And I only got hit a couple of times. But the times I got hit, you could see me running up, going after my guy like, yo, what the fuck are you doing, bro?

Read the whole book and don't read the cover. Not even the cover. Don't even look at the cover. No, it's crazy. Read the book instead of looking at the cover. But yeah, had an unbelievable night. Got back to the hotel. A couple people was being really racist. At the hotel bar? At the hotel bar. They didn't even stay there. Now, remind you, we are spending $1,500 a night for these rooms.

Yeah, I always tell people, like, I've never had a problem with no owner, no coach I've played for. My problem was some shit when I left there, going to Magic City or some shit like that and just enjoying myself. And there's always one asshole again. There goes Adam. Yeah. Every year, this is all he comes up with. Leave me the fuck alone. No, I'm just playing.

It's not cheap. But, yeah, a couple words was said. I ain't like the words. I should have smacked the fuck out of them, and I let them. I would have rather. went to jail for whooping his ass, then me having a word, well, I didn't really have a word with the police officer, but I just snatched myself back from her. And that was it. And that was it. So, yeah, but shit happens.

Still lock everything up. Yeah. That was my thing when I first started in the league. Fucking insane. I'm like, bro, I'm not wearing no fucking cleats. I'm coming out here brand new A1s. Let's go. Let's get this fucking work in. We got 12 periods. All right. I'm going to go out here early, catch punts. I'm going to lock his ass down. And I've always been like that.

Like, you got to go ask my little league coaches, my high school coach. Like, I was the guy they had to be like, hey, yo. Like, even Rodriguez, Coach Rod at West Virginia, now shout out Coach Rod WVU. He's just like, yo, Pac, I'm going to take you out of practice. I'm like, no, you ain't, bro. No, you ain't. Because I'm pushing this motherfucker to get better. You going to take me out?

Because I'm going 100 miles per hour. Yeah. And some days, I would tackle, though. And we would be like in, like. I used to hate that. That you would tackle... Yeah, yeah.

Me and Chris got in so many fights because of that. That's how we became locked in. I would push him to the limit. I mean, push him to the limit. He was...