Alie Ward (host)

a good insurance that you don't fall too in love with your cousin, I guess, you know, but have you seen that research where they put dirty t-shirts in jars?

Oh, what a bummer.

I wanted that.

I grew that.

We cover it head to toe.

And, you know, do you find that in literature they look to smell to really explore grief a lot?

Do you find that that comes up a lot?

Because I know that if you smell a perfume of someone who's passed away or if you have a shirt of someone who's broken up with you, those smells, they can be so reminiscent of

I know that they obviously can convey disgust and attraction and nostalgia, but do you find that grief comes up a lot?

Do you ever have people who ask for copies of your PhD?

Can you go buy it?

This is a crazy subject.

Do you have any idea?

But...

Good.

Okay.

Love that.

So let's get into the absolutely boggling twists of Destiny that led Ali to be talking to me in between writing two different books about the nichest of subjects.

God.

So what exactly happened?