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Allison Pohle

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The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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It depends who you ask. People who have gotten into skiing or who are able to ski more because of the Epic Pass say, they actually made skiing affordable for me. Now I ski all the time and I actually learned how to ski because this pass gave me an incentive to keep getting back out there, even when it was hard. And now I love it and I take my family.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Exactly. It's fancy. It's desirable.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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But among a lot of other skiers, there has been this reputation that Vail has made skiing inaccessible by raising the price of the daily lift tickets. So it's harder to go out there and try it and see if you like it when it costs several hundred dollars to do so.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Other people say they're driving up the cost of ski lessons, of eating at the lodge, and have changed the character of these local ski resorts they acquire from being a place where it's the local hill, the mom-and-pop area, where everyone knows each other, to something that's a lot more corporate.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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No, thank you. It's been great.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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And as it turns out, Vail has pioneered a business model that is now really a victim of its own success.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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I do ski. Okay. I learned as an adult, though, so I did not grow up skiing.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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I don't. I don't. I try to embody that, though. Like, I have an alter ego when I'm skiing called the Grade A Shredder. And that's me in that persona.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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You would go up to the window at a ski resort, buy a lift ticket for the day. They would give you a tag. You would fasten it to the zipper of your jacket.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Yep, and they would have all those tags to show how many times they went. But it left the resorts themselves in a vulnerable position because how many tickets they were able to sell depended on how good the snow was and how good the season was. So if they had a great year, they were able to invest in the resort and make some upgrades.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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If it was a bad snow year and they didn't sell a lot of tickets... That was tough, and that meant the next year was going to be difficult in terms of whatever snowmaking equipment or lift upgrades they were able to do.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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So what it did was take five Vail-owned resorts and a partnership with one other resort, put them all on one pass, and for the low price of $579, you could ski at any of these six resorts as much as you wanted for the entire season. Uh-huh. Whereas before, if you were buying a season pass, it was for one resort, and it was a lot more expensive.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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It could cost over $1,000, even over $1,500 just for one resort. If you're somebody who's skiing 10, 15, 20 days a season, and your pass costs $1,000, $580 total, then your cost per time skiing is going down. So really, if you think about it, you know, you're getting a lot out of the value of the pass.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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The main part of their strategy was buying up smaller ski resorts and putting them on the Epic Pass and raising the price of the Epic Pass a little bit along the way. So Vail was really acquiring resorts across the country.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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She's finally getting her public recognition.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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So to just walk up to the window and go ski, it has become exorbitantly expensive, where today in this ski season, 2024, 2025, it will regularly cost over $300 on a holiday weekend at Park City, at Vail, at the most popular resorts, just for the day.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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For a one-day pass for one person. Yeah.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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It is, and it's gotten more so over time.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Wall Street loved this for Vail's business, and it was successful. It meant that tens of thousands of people are buying this epic pass before the season starts. So Vail is able to grow their revenue. They're able to have the money to buy more ski resorts, but also to improve the ones that they did buy. So a lot of these resorts were in rough shape before Vail came in.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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So Vail was able to come in and spend money to make those upgrades and make the resorts better.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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It soon became clear that being outside was great. A lot of people who had never skied before wanted to try it.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Exactly. And all of a sudden it became... very desirable to ski, Vail realized this and thought, okay, great. We are going to cut the price of the Epic Pass. It was the first price drop that they had ever did. They wanted to incentivize a lot of new skiers. So this was before the 2021-2022 season. They cut the price to get more people to commit to this season pass in advance.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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I think we're just past the peak, I believe.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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I think there's some moguls. I'm not sure what grade it is yet, though. Remains to be seen, but there are some bumps, and we're going over those moguls right now.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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But in some ways, this backfired. All of a sudden, these mountains are becoming super crowded because there's no limit on the number of epic passes that are sold. So at this point, you have over 2 million people buying this pass. They don't need to make a reservation. They just show up, and that means there are tons of people trying to ski.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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So, on social media, there was a massive backlash.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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There were too many people on the mountain. It strained everything. It strained parking around the area. There's nowhere to eat. And there were so many people skiing at Vail Resorts that there became a phenomenon known as the epic lift lines. It just keeps going. It's not 9 o'clock yet.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Vail markets itself as the experience of a lifetime, and it's a premium product. It is a luxury experience where they have created these little mountain villages that are emblematic of what you might see in Switzerland. The trails are immaculately groomed. You have high-speed chairlifts.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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It was also just not what they felt they had paid for. So, you know, you've seen the advertising of all these Vail resorts that, you know, there's one skier going down and all of a sudden, you know, you're trying to navigate around 15 people just to take one turn. You're paying a lot of money to go to this place and then you're having a bad time.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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So the ski patrol are getting paid a starting wage of around $21 an hour in Park City. And there were signs that they had. They were holding out saying a burger at the dining hall costs $25. And they're saying, look, we can't even afford to have lunch on one hour salary here.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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Vail did insist that the mountain was open, that people could go ski there, and the lifts were running. Now, when people got there, that was not the experience that they had. They were extremely frustrated.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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I talked to multiple skiers who have spent thousands of dollars to take their family on this vacation and spent it waiting in line or even just gave up and said, you know what, we're going to do something else while we're here. We're not going to stand for over an hour trying to get on the mountain. This is just not worth it.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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late Apex Partners is what they're called, published a letter to Vale's board of directors. And in the letter, the shareholder said that Vale's performance over the past five years has been, quote, unacceptable. It even goes on to say that, quote, the core skiing community has labeled Vail the evil empire, end quote.

The Journal.

The Snowballing Problems at Vail Resorts

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And in another part, it says that, quote, management's incredibly short-sighted actions have led to lost opportunities and destroyed brand value.