Andrew Gallimore

So your brain can construct a high level model of a cell phone quite easily.

But.

all of the fine details of how it functions, that's all represented at the lowest level of the cortex.

It's really dependent on sensory inputs.

So you can dream of having a mobile phone in your hand and doing with it, but as soon as you try to do something...

with it.

So actually your brain has to kind of construct that function and it can't do it unless it has access to sensory inputs.

And so that's how you can test if you're lucid dreaming.

Yeah.

Which is why the DMT state is so fascinating is because it's nothing like the dream state.

People say, you know, that perhaps DMT has released

when you're dreaming and that it actually triggers.

I mean, this goes back to the 1980s.

There's a theoretical paper published by a guy called Jace Calloway and he said, oh, maybe DMT could be produced during REM sleep because it's closely related to melatonin structurally, both kind of tryptamine structures.

But when you...

analyze the phenomenology, the actual experience of DMT, it's nothing like dreaming.

Dreaming is generally the brain making use of what it knows about how to construct the world in the waking state and doing so in the dream state.

So that's why if you ask people...

So many studies on dreaming have shown that people, when they dream, they dream about people.

They dream about dogs and cats.