Andrew Marantz

And then when they start talking about politics, maybe I'll take some advice from them. That's a very hard thing to kind of recreate from the top down.

And then when they start talking about politics, maybe I'll take some advice from them. That's a very hard thing to kind of recreate from the top down.

The way Hassan Piker put it to me is, yeah, Trump lies constantly, but at least people get the sense that he's saying what he really thinks. So it's kind of a tricky double-edged sword because I think a lot of his supporters don't even necessarily believe that he's being truthful, but they believe that he's authentically speaking his mind.

The way Hassan Piker put it to me is, yeah, Trump lies constantly, but at least people get the sense that he's saying what he really thinks. So it's kind of a tricky double-edged sword because I think a lot of his supporters don't even necessarily believe that he's being truthful, but they believe that he's authentically speaking his mind.

The way Hassan Piker put it to me is, yeah, Trump lies constantly, but at least people get the sense that he's saying what he really thinks. So it's kind of a tricky double-edged sword because I think a lot of his supporters don't even necessarily believe that he's being truthful, but they believe that he's authentically speaking his mind.

And actually in his flagrant interview with Andrew Schultz, who I also spoke to for this piece, When Trump was interviewed on that podcast, he at one point said, you know, I'm basically a truthful person. And the host, Andrew Schultz, laughed in his face and was like, what does that mean, a basically truthful person? But I think there is ironically some truth to it.

And actually in his flagrant interview with Andrew Schultz, who I also spoke to for this piece, When Trump was interviewed on that podcast, he at one point said, you know, I'm basically a truthful person. And the host, Andrew Schultz, laughed in his face and was like, what does that mean, a basically truthful person? But I think there is ironically some truth to it.

And actually in his flagrant interview with Andrew Schultz, who I also spoke to for this piece, When Trump was interviewed on that podcast, he at one point said, you know, I'm basically a truthful person. And the host, Andrew Schultz, laughed in his face and was like, what does that mean, a basically truthful person? But I think there is ironically some truth to it.

I think Trump does constantly say things that are demonstrably false, but he gives the sense that what's happening on the inside of his brain is coming out of his mouth. And I think if the rubric you're using is are you calculated or are you just free, you it's very hard to beat Donald Trump at that game.

I think Trump does constantly say things that are demonstrably false, but he gives the sense that what's happening on the inside of his brain is coming out of his mouth. And I think if the rubric you're using is are you calculated or are you just free, you it's very hard to beat Donald Trump at that game.

I think Trump does constantly say things that are demonstrably false, but he gives the sense that what's happening on the inside of his brain is coming out of his mouth. And I think if the rubric you're using is are you calculated or are you just free, you it's very hard to beat Donald Trump at that game.

And I should also just say on the Rogan thing, we were talking about the, you know, did Kamala Harris try to do Rogan and all the miscommunications there. One thing I found interesting when they were debriefing the kind of top campaign staffers debriefed after the election, they actually, on a podcast, they went on Pod Save America, and they were talking about the different

And I should also just say on the Rogan thing, we were talking about the, you know, did Kamala Harris try to do Rogan and all the miscommunications there. One thing I found interesting when they were debriefing the kind of top campaign staffers debriefed after the election, they actually, on a podcast, they went on Pod Save America, and they were talking about the different

And I should also just say on the Rogan thing, we were talking about the, you know, did Kamala Harris try to do Rogan and all the miscommunications there. One thing I found interesting when they were debriefing the kind of top campaign staffers debriefed after the election, they actually, on a podcast, they went on Pod Save America, and they were talking about the different

decisions in the campaign and what they could have done differently. And they were asked this sort of big question of the day, why didn't she go on Rogan? And they claimed that it was because of scheduling and they couldn't get to Texas that many times. Texas is not a battleground state. But another thing they said that just has stuck with me is they said,

decisions in the campaign and what they could have done differently. And they were asked this sort of big question of the day, why didn't she go on Rogan? And they claimed that it was because of scheduling and they couldn't get to Texas that many times. Texas is not a battleground state. But another thing they said that just has stuck with me is they said,

decisions in the campaign and what they could have done differently. And they were asked this sort of big question of the day, why didn't she go on Rogan? And they claimed that it was because of scheduling and they couldn't get to Texas that many times. Texas is not a battleground state. But another thing they said that just has stuck with me is they said,

You know, we did want to do it not so much for the conversation itself, but just because it would have broken through, meaning like presumably it would have gotten attention in the mainstream media. And I just thought that's such a mistaken old school way of thinking. I mean, even now you're thinking the point of a Joe Rogan interview is to get a headline on CNN.com. It doesn't.

You know, we did want to do it not so much for the conversation itself, but just because it would have broken through, meaning like presumably it would have gotten attention in the mainstream media. And I just thought that's such a mistaken old school way of thinking. I mean, even now you're thinking the point of a Joe Rogan interview is to get a headline on CNN.com. It doesn't.

You know, we did want to do it not so much for the conversation itself, but just because it would have broken through, meaning like presumably it would have gotten attention in the mainstream media. And I just thought that's such a mistaken old school way of thinking. I mean, even now you're thinking the point of a Joe Rogan interview is to get a headline on CNN.com. It doesn't.