Anna Scott
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first heard Nov 2024
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And there's also that discontent that people have started to express in Dartmouth. And some people decided to not continue with the void at that point. Yeah. They already knew they were risking their lives, but they were also then saying, we're not going to do this, but they didn't have anything else to go home to. They'd sold their houses, they'd given up their jobs.
I mean, it was a real disaster for some of them. They had to do things like they sold some butter to raise more money because of the delays. So it was a saga.
Yes, yes and no. So there's a strange relationship with the Plymouth and the Plymouth. So the Pilgrims accidentally stopped at Plymouth in England and they end up in a place that's called Plymouth in New England in America.
But both of those things are accidental because the Plymouth that they get to in America had already been named on a map that had been created by John Smith, Pocahontas John Smith, in the years previously.
Yeah, I mean, it's logical. Certainly there's plenty of places in the world that are named after places that people have come from. Boston, Massachusetts, there were a lot of people from Boston, Lincolnshire that were involved in that. And that was 10 years after this. But no, the Plymouth thing, there was this new Plymouth It wasn't an established place.
It was an abandoned Native American settlement called Patuxet. But on the English map, it was already called Plymouth and they'd seen that map. And yeah, the other Plymouth, that was just because of the speed well-being, a dodgy ship.
Yeah, so it's hurricane season.
It's not, you know, if you were going to get on a ship now, you're not allowed. You're not allowed to do it this time of year. And so the weather inevitably was going to be bad. The voyage, it took them 66 days. So September, what kind of time are you going to get there? It's going to be the middle of winter. They've got no homes to live in. They don't know where they're going to live.
It's extremely cold. How can they start growing their food? You know, all of these things, which if you're going to do create a colony 101, those things aren't going to be on that list.
Yeah, I mean, I think when you say they were religious and they weren't religious, everybody had to be religious to some degree because it was the law. You know, you had to go to church and you had to follow the rules of the church. The king was the head of the church. The king was the head of state. It was pretty strict.
This period of time was when people started to question some of those rights that we now take for granted, you know, around religious tolerance and people being able to worship God or actually not worship God. Those arguments were being made by people who were associated with these people at that time.
They were leaders at that time in England, in Holland, and some of them were obviously traveling over to America as well, partly to escape England.
So you've got on the ship the people that we've referred to as the saints. So the pilgrims saw themselves as the saints. They believed in predestination, that there was a place in heaven for them because they'd been selected by God. And the other people who were outside of that group were referred to sometimes as the strangers. So they were the less religious people, if you like.
They were the people who were possibly leaving because of the lack of jobs in England, because of the risks around poor harvests or wanting newer opportunities, plague being around. You know, there were lots of reasons why they possibly wanted to leave England. There was one little group of children, four children, who were sent on the voyage
with no parents because the man they had thought was their father had divorced their mother and sent them away believing that they were the product of adultery. So there's less different backstories for all of these characters, if you like, on the Mayflower. And some of them are quite sad.
So you have got these two different groups, the saints and the strangers, and that becomes a challenge, particularly as things progress and it becomes clear. that they're not heading to the place that they intended to go to.
I think because you've got the two different groups, it's hard to say who were the leaders, if you like, because I think you've got leaders within the pilgrim group, but there were certainly differences and difficulties between these two groups. So the first governor of the colony, once they got to America, was called John Carver, and he... actually died quite quickly after they arrived.
So he wasn't governor for very long. And after that, William Bradford became the governor. And he had been a young man who was only 18 years old when he originally fled England with William Brewster, who's sometimes known as the Pilgrim Elder, kind of an advisor, a preacher for them at times. He printed pamphlets and was quite prominent in the Leiden community.
So Bradford, when they made the voyage, he was 30 years old. And so he would go on to become their leader. And he was governor on and off for many years after the establishment of the colony.
Yeah, I think possibly one of the most challenging relationships that I remember William Bradford describing in his diary was between the pilgrims and one of the crew. And he's one of the few people who actually died on the voyage And he describes in detail how this particular man was, he was basically being really horrible to the pilgrims and really mean to them. They were seasick.
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