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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of the Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about a major development in the Murdoch murder trial, the allegations that a court clerk lied on the stand. Could this mean a retrial for Alec Murdoch? Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on The Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on The Crime Scene Weekly.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on The Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on The Crime Scene Weekly.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

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Why the long break for you in your mind? How would you break it down for the fans?

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on The Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on The Crime Scene Weekly.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of the Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week we're talking about the massive prison break that shocked Louisiana in recent weeks. How did these inmates escape and was it an inside job? Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Amazon or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What happened? What happened to Katie?

I woke up at four in the morning and I thought it was just a regular rehearsal fire drill.

The entire building was a crime scene. I don't think anybody really had any idea that something like this could possibly take place.

There was a gentleman's club, I think it was the next county over, a really small dive bar, basically, that girls could dance in. And I did know that Katie had gotten a job there.

She would do anything for you if she cared about you. I think that's really what should live on in people's memories.

Western Kentucky is a nice college campus in a rural town out in the country. You know, there's a lot of activities to do. Western Kentucky is definitely a fun place to go to college.

I did meet Katie right outside of the Hugh Pullen Hall where we were both living. I think we kind of bonded over the fact that we both came from a strict upbringing, Christian household with a lot of rules, a lot of expectations. So the opportunities for us seem to be a lot bigger than what other students may have experienced.

Katie was quiet and shy, I think. But again, once you got to know her, she would open up. She was a pretty funny girl. She liked to laugh. She liked to crack jokes. She was well-liked around our groups, the different cliques that we had in the dorm. Katie was in room 214 on the second floor. She had a roommate. Her roommate was Danika. Danika was a cheerleader at the school.

They formed a really tight friendship.

Yeah, I've always loved them Social life was a big deal. Thursday nights were the unofficial party night I would say on campus. Pizza parties, movie gatherings, you name it. If it was something that we could do other than schoolwork, we were probably doing it.

Katie did get a job on campus. We had a little smoothie shop in the university center where our cafeteria and bookstore was. You could always count on seeing her behind the counter when you walked through the door there.

May 4th, 2003, somewhere around 4 o'clock in the morning, the smoke alarm in the building went off. This was not an unusual thing. Kids like to play pranks, and the fire alarms got pulled quite often. At some point, our floor RA, resident assistant, came around and started knocking on all the doors.

It was a chilly, brisk, early, early morning. The dew had settled on the grass. It was a thick, moist night. Everybody's standing around. We're all in kind of little groups chatting and trying to figure out and understand like what's going on. We're starting to hear little bits and pieces of rumors. Something happened in room 214. It was the blonde, the blonde girl there.

Firefighters sort of cleared the perimeter. They didn't want anybody to really get too close. And I was sort of trapped in the crowd, but I was able to identify that that was Katie.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of the Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, we're talking about the massive prison break that shocked Louisiana in recent weeks. How did these inmates escape, and was it an inside job? Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We're bringing the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of the Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, we're talking about the massive prison break that shocked Louisiana in recent weeks. How did these inmates escape, and was it an inside job? Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Many of us just were shocked and amazed about the capacity of someone to cause such destruction.

Juilliard is one of our most prestigious conservatories for musicians. To be received into the program suggests that a young artist is at the top of his or her game.

We've always punched above our weight artistically, you might say, here in Greenville. In 2020, someone had contacted me to tell me about this young pianist who was going to attempt a really ambitious project, playing all 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas in the space of a year. He called his project the Beethoven Odyssey.

Together, they span 600 pages and more than 11 hours of music. I thought, based on his YouTube videos, as well as seeing him perform live and in person, that here was a young man with a very bright future ahead of him as a musician.

We're a medium-sized city. We have more cultural and artistic offerings than someone might expect to see in a city of this size. In theater, in dance, in the visual arts, in music. Classical music is very popular here in Greenville. As you walk down Main Street, you'll see street musicians.

Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Did you see it on the news?

Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?

I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.

Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Hi, I'm Brad Milkey. I'm the host of The Crime Scene Weekly, a new show from ABC Audio about the latest headlines in true crime. This week, I'm talking about the shocking allegations against the Alexander Brothers, once the golden boys of luxury real estate, now facing serious sex crime charges. Listen to The Crime Scene Weekly on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

Hey, this is Brad, host of the Crime Scene Weekly. Thank you so much for listening to our show here in the 2020 feed. After today's episode, we will be found exclusively in our own feeds. We're going to have a ton of great new episodes on the horizon. I don't want you to miss a thing. So search for the Crime Scene Weekly. Follow that.

He was sentenced to death back in 1976 for kidnapping and killing a woman. He filed multiple death sentence appeals, the most recent of which was denied in October. His execution is now set for June 25th. Lastly, a Connecticut man is facing one of the state's most serious charges, murder with special circumstances, after police say he beat his 12-year-old son to death with a baseball bat.

So he didn't go to school. Did he interact with neighbors? I mean, was there any? No. Who around these people knew what was going on?

Wait, let's talk about the family then. So we keep talking about the stepmother. So it's not just a stepmother and her stepson in this house. It's a whole family. It's a whole family, apparently.

But so then- because we're talking about sort of what people around this knew, the welfare checks. So there are welfare checks early on when they're looking into how this kid who was in school is being treated. What happens? Do those continue then after you get withdrawn from school?

So you never actually have to show up like you don't have to produce the kid to outside authorities at any point. OK, so then a few weeks after that fire in March, the stepson's stepmom, Kimberly Sullivan, is charged and arrested with kidnapping, felony assault, cruelty to persons and other crimes in connection with all this. Tell me about her case and how she pleads. Well,

Officials say 52-year-old Anthony Andrew Esposito Jr. is accused of killing his son at their home. Because the victim was a minor, the charge carries the harshest possible penalty under state law, life in prison without the possibility of parole. Esposito is also charged with criminal attempt to commit murder after allegedly trying to also kill his 16-year-old daughter.

So the lawyer is saying like, she just happened to be there. This was a tyrannical father who now happens to be dead. Right. Right.

Well, and the half sister, she was outside the courthouse. She talked to reporters. Our affiliate WTNH was there. She says she doesn't even believe Kimberly Sullivan's story.

You've covered a lot of cases, right? You're sourced up and down with cops and so many different police departments. You could even tell listening to the police here how disturbed they were by this. So here's a clip of Waterbury Police Chief Fernando Spagnuolo at a press briefing in March. This was also from our affiliate WTNH.

So do they have a sense as to why, Josh, like what would cause someone to do something like this if they think it was the stepmother?

During his arraignment last week, prosecutors said Esposito told police he beat his son because he was being disrespectful. He's now being held on a $3 million bond. No plea has been entered. Now, let's get into this week's big story. ABC's chief investigative reporter Josh Margolin is here in the studio to tell us about these horrifying allegations of captivity in Waterbury, Connecticut.

If these allegations are true, it ends up feeling like a story about people inflicting pain on someone again and again.

How has he, the victim here, responded to this? I mean, because I just can't imagine making any sort of public statement. And yet he has. I agree.

Unbelievable. And the attorney for Sullivan then put out his own statement saying that this statement from the young man lacks both specifics and credibility, he said. Kimberly Sullivan now has a court appearance later this month. Josh Margolin, unbelievable story. Thanks for telling it to us. Thanks, Brad. All right, and that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene.

Thank you so much for listening. The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu, mixing by Shane McKeon. Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, and Emily Schutz. Josh Kohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey, and I'll see you next week at The Crime Scene.

So I can't stress enough to our listeners that this is a disturbing story, right? There are going to be details here about physical abuse, about psychological abuse, but it's worth examining. So here's the gist. A man claims he was held captive for 20 years by his stepmother, confined to a locked room inside their house.

You'll get all your new episodes right there for free wherever you listen to podcasts. A woman is accused of holding her stepson captive for two decades. In an act of desperation, her stepson sets the house on fire. Welcome to the crime scene. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here.

The only way authorities apparently found him is because he set the place on fire. The stepmom, Kimberly Sullivan, now faces charges of kidnapping, felony assault, of cruelty to persons and other crimes. But Josh, let's examine this, I guess, through the eyes of the people who discovered this. Take us back to the night of the fire. What happened? First of all, just...

So here's that.

And every week, we're bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime space. This week, we're talking to ABC's chief investigative reporter, Josh Margolin, about this unbelievable story of alleged depravity and resilience. But before we dive in, let's go over the true crime headlines you need to know this week.

And is he talking at this point? Like, obviously, there's going to be psychological damage here, you'd think. But do police say he's able to articulate his mental state or his apparent escape plan? Actually, the police report...

Jury selection is underway in the sex trafficking and racketeering trial of music mogul Sean Diddy Combs. Prosecutors accused Combs of forcing his alleged victims into drug-fueled sex parties he called freak-offs and then threatening them into silence.

How does he describe this all starting, I guess? Apparently, police think this started when he was around 11. What does that look like? It actually, according to police, started before that, allegedly.

Federal prosecutors and defense attorneys are now working to seat a 12-person jury for what's expected to be a high-profile and closely watched trial. Combs has pleaded not guilty to all charges. Next up, a story out of Mississippi. After 49 years on death row, the execution date has been set for 78-year-old Richard Gerald Jordan. Jordan is Mississippi's longest-serving death row inmate.

And we're actually going to take a quick break right here. But when we come back, we're going to hear about what life was allegedly like behind that closed door.

All right. We are back with ABC's chief investigative reporter, Josh Margolin. So, Josh, once Kimberly Sullivan is allegedly holding her stepson like this in captivity, what is that like? I guess, like, is there allegedly a routine or is he just in the room all day or do we know?

I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.

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Oh my God, is this your house?

Oh my God, it's so humble.

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Yeah, you wouldn't make it on there.

Kena, I mean, just listening back to all that, what is your impression of that call?

And then just not to dwell on this too much, but I think a lot of people might go, hello, these people, there was a man in your house at four or something in the morning. Why did it take this long? I mean, is there a sense as to why nothing happened for so long?

This week, we're talking to ABC News correspondent, Kena Whitworth, who was the first network reporter on the ground in Idaho and has been closely following this shocking quadruple murder case for over two years. Kena's with us now. Hey, Kena. Hey, Brad. This case horrified Idaho, but also captivated the nation back in the winter of 2022.

And just to back things up a bit, like the details that you're mentioning, those were in past court filings. The detail about the surviving roommate drinking and being prone to those lucid dreams was mentioned in a filing by the defense.

Within the house, they're texting to each other just from different rooms.

What do they say? Like, what are they texting at that point?

That's what's so confusing, Kena. It's kind of like you know that there is communication happening and yet it's not like, hey, let's find out what happened. And there's hours where nothing happens. So you're wondering, like, did they go to sleep? Are they just kind of in denial? Is it all of the above? Do we have answers to that, I guess?

You've hosted a whole podcast about this called The King Road Killings, but there's been new developments. Before we get into those, can you just, I guess, walk us through the background of the case?

You know, the one name we haven't said so far, Kena, is Brian Koberger, right? He has emerged as the suspect in this case. His lawyers say he's innocent. But that all brings us to kind of another interesting fold here, which is how he was arrested and how the FBI says it found DNA linking him to this. What can you tell us about that?

Right. And investigative genetic genealogy. This is where you get DNA like from a knife sheath. You load that data onto public genealogy sites and you build out a family tree from there. Right. So what was happening with Koberger at that time?

I remember this. He was going home for the holidays, right?

What were his lawyers objecting to?

Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.

Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?

Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.

Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.

And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.

Wow. And trial starts in August. Kena Whitworth, I know you'll be there. Thank you so much.

Now, as I mentioned at the very top of this episode, after Kena and I recorded this conversation, we got some late-breaking news. ABC has gotten their hands on a filing that was released Wednesday afternoon, like this Wednesday. The filing includes some stunning details about Brian Koberger. So I've called up Kena to get the latest. Kena, thank you for coming back on short notice.

You've had a little bit of time with this filing. What can you tell us about it?

But you're saying this is specifically about what police will be looking for at a crime scene, like deep knowledge of what authorities would want to get their hands on.

I was going to say he was studying criminology. Right. So, I mean, how does this then play into the trial that's coming up or how will prosecutors try to use this?

Yeah, and we'll have to see if this even gets admitted into evidence, let alone whether a jury thinks it's relevant. But if people say, like, a murderer makes 100 mistakes, the implication from the prosecutors here seems to be that if this is the guy, that he might have made a few less than that. Kena Whitworth, thank you for covering this late-breaking news.

Now, let's quickly hit up the other big stories in the world of true crime this week. First up, a woman has been charged with murder in the death of Telemundo sports reporter Adam Manzano. Manzano was found dead in his hotel room in Kenner, Louisiana, after traveling to New Orleans for the Super Bowl.

According to the autopsy, Manzano died from the combined effects of Xanax and alcohol, along with positional asphyxia, which is when someone's physical position obstructs their breathing. No plea has been entered. The next story capturing headlines this week, at an isolated research base in Antarctica, a man is accused of attacking and threatening his colleagues.

The alleged perpetrator has been put under psychological evaluation and has cooperated with South Africa's Ministry of Environment, which oversees the base there. The nine-member research team is expected to stay at the base for about 13 months, meaning they'll be living in close quarters through the hostile and dark Antarctic winter.

Lastly, the missing University of Pittsburgh student, Shidixa Kononke, whose disappearance while on spring break in the Dominican Republic launched an international effort to find her, is believed to have died by drowning. Kononke's family has asked officials to declare her legally dead. A 22-year-old college student was with Kononke the night she went missing.

He told prosecutors the two went swimming and kissed in the ocean. He is not a suspect and is not charged with a crime. All right, that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us. The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie and Meg Fierro. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Meg Fierro.

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And before we even get into the police involvement, the police investigation, can we talk about then what these victims were doing on the night of the murder, Kena?

OK, so what happens next is it goes past midnight into the early morning.

Hey, crime scene listeners, as we were about to hit publish on this episode, our second episode, something happened. Hundreds of pages of documents were filed by the prosecution last night with some fascinating details, including a final assignment belonging to the suspect, Brian Koberger, who had been studying criminology. And they say this could have a direct bearing on this case.

Hazy how?

What do you mean nothing? What happens next?

Wow. And the new development here is you got your hands on the audio of that 911 call, right?

So stick with us at the end of our conversation with ABC News anchor Kena Whitworth, and we will have the latest on that breaking news next. in addition to everything coming up right now. For the first time, ABC News has obtained the audio from a 911 call in the Idaho college murders case that shocked the nation. What we've learned could change the way we see the whole case.

Okay, and we are going to take a quick break right here. When we come back, we will hear the audio of that 911 call and talk about what it means for this case.

OK, we're back with Kena Whitworth. ABC News has obtained the 911 call of that fateful night in Moscow, Idaho, which we're going to play right now. And just a warning to listeners, we're going to play almost the whole call here. The only thing authorities redacted is the phone number given by the caller. You'll hear silence there. This call is disturbing.

So if you don't want to hear it, I would skip ahead about five minutes. OK, here's the call.

Wait, can I just pause this, Kena? Because it sounds clear to me like they haven't, they know something's wrong, but they have not even gone in the room where these bodies are.

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Okay, and so let's play the rest of this. This is sort of as they're finding the condition of the bodies here that we now know are past saving. Okay.

It's less than two weeks from now. He faces the possibility of spending the rest of his life behind bars. Before we even get into the specifics of that trial, I just want to talk about how big of a deal this is. This is going to be the biggest criminal trial of the year. And Diddy is like an industry unto himself. So how did we get here, I guess?

Okay, we're back with attorney and ABC News legal contributor, Brian Buckmeyer. So Brian, May of last year, security video from an LA hotel hallway is leaked. The video's from 2016. What was on that video?

I was going to say, it's not just you. There was a public reaction to this.

Well, then, which takes us to September of last year. Combs is indicted. He's arrested. These are federal charges. I mean, can you just walk me through then what he's actually charged with?

And we actually have a clip here that I want to play from your podcast. This is Bad Rap, The Case Against Diddy. And we're talking here about that time sort of in the 90s during that rise that you're describing. So the voice you're going to hear here is first the journalist Toray along with Brian.

I see. So the indictment's saying, like, not only is he doing the crime, but he's doing all these other crimes... with the intent of this crime that we're all talking about now.

You're willing to do anything in addition to the horrible crimes we're accusing you of, the freak offs and everything. Diddy's lawyers have said he had nothing to do with the car bombing. But this indictment is basically saying like you're willing to do anything to keep all this going.

And that it's not even just Diddy. He's not even just doing all this solo. They're saying this is lots of people involved in one big criminal enterprise.

If they think they've got a bunch of defendants, but some of them will cooperate to get combs behind bars, then why charge those people?

Which takes us then to this trial, right? So the trial's about to get underway. Like, what happens next?

Well, and just last week, the judge rejected the attorney's request from Diddy for a two month delay. So it seems like for now, jury selection would be on May 5th. Trial would start on May 12th. And this trial is just going to be so in the spotlight, Brian. So how are prosecutors going to position this? How's the defense going to do this? Like you're a defense lawyer by trade.

Oh, almost a signal like the guy from the Diddy Group is here.

Like a freak off by its nature is not illegal. You can have people having big sex parties. I think Diddy's lawyers characterize this as like private sexual activity between fully consenting adults. What's the problem with that?

There are like amended indictments in all this, right? How have those kind of evolved?

How are you going to handle this on your podcast, Brian? This is coming at us like a freight train. And usually these sort of true crime podcasts are like, hey, here's an episode every week or every month. And there's a beginning and an end.

which again, there are lots of big trials this year. I don't know if anything is going to really rival this for the sheer spectacle that it's about to create. Like the jury has to decide whether Diddy's guilty or innocent.

But when we're just talking about the witness list and the people involved and the people in Diddy's orbit and like the sheer suffering that's being alleged by the people around him, it's just going to be so high stakes for everyone. Brian Buckmeyer, host of Bad Rap, The Case Against Diddy. Thank you so much.

And Brian, I remember when we're talking about Diddy's influence, that's the thing. Like you had this whole Sean John empire. I'm thinking nowadays we have like the Gwyneth Paltrow's and the Reese Witherspoon's, these people that sort of evolved their performance brand into like something much larger, like a whole industry. He was really at the forefront of all of that.

Now let's check in on the other big true crime stories of the week. First up, the high-stakes resentencing hearing for the Menendez brothers has been delayed after a dramatic day in court. The Menendez brothers' attorney, Mark Garagos, faced off against L.A. County D.A. Nathan Hoffman, who's trying to keep the brothers behind bars.

A new hearing is now set for May 9th to determine whether the brothers' resentencing path should be factored into this newly completed parole board's risk assessment. That assessment was conducted as part of a separate clemency path for the brothers. This May 9th hearing will also determine if DA Hockman and his team will be removed from that case.

Next up, Harvey Weinstein has been moved from Rikers Island Jail to a New York City hospital after a judge approved his request to remain there during his retrial on sexual assault charges. Weinstein's lawyers argued in court papers that the sometimes freezing jail cell at Rikers was exacerbating Weinstein's health issues. That judge is set to hold a hearing to discuss the matter further.

Lastly, authorities say a 31-year-old New York City woman has died after a man posing as a plastic surgeon botched a procedure to remove her butt implants. According to a criminal complaint, the man allegedly performed the operation, quote, without a license to do so and while not in a medical facility, end quote.

That man, Felipe Hoyos Ferranda, was arrested and charged with second-degree assault and unauthorized practice of profession. He's currently being held at a correctional center in East Elmhurst, New York. According to custody reports, no plea has been entered. All right, that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. So glad you're here with us.

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And yet there are whispers of behavior that seem to start surfacing a while ago. So I guess walk us through that and how that all started becoming more public.

I didn't even know that. Yeah, I just took it for granted. Yeah.

Yeah, to take something authentically yours and then take it mainstream. So then you talk about these sort of maybe red flags-ish along the way. What changes? How does this become something much bigger?

The world knows him as Diddy. The courts know him as Sean Combs. Now his federal trial for racketeering and sex trafficking is right around the corner. Welcome to the crime scene. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here. And every week, we're bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime space.

But he denied it. And then they settled really quickly after that.

Yeah, why did they settle so fast?

Oh, and all the discovery that goes with that.

So, OK, so there's that lawsuit, explosive allegations, and yet it gets settled within a day. Combs denies everything. And his lawyers, even at that point, said the settlement does not imply any wrongdoing whatsoever. But then you start seeing more of these civil lawsuits pile up. Right. This seems like a tipping point.

Right, because New York State specifically had this one-time window, 2022, 2023, where people could file sexual abuse lawsuits even after the statute of limitations had expired, during which it sounds like a lot of civil lawsuits are filed against Diddy.

This week, I'm talking to attorney and ABC News legal contributor Brian Buckmeyer, who's host of the new podcast from ABC Audio called Bad Rap, The Case Against Diddy, which traces Diddy's rise and how it all came crashing down.

One of those civil lawsuits that got a lot of attention was the lawsuit filed by music producer Rodney Jones. Why is that one so important?

And there's a difference here. The civil lawsuit, you're looking for monetary damages for yourself. But once you lay that stuff out there on the public record, that's when prosecutors might start looking through it and going, oh, there could be a criminal case here.

Did he deny these allegations in Jones's lawsuit? What happens next?

Brian today is going to walk us through everything we need to know about this trial that is really racing towards us now, including Diddy's claims of innocence and potential defense strategies. And a quick note, this episode will deal with sexual assault and other difficult subject matter. Hey, Brian. Hey, Brad. So thanks for being here. Top level, Diddy is set to begin his federal trial in May.

They time it for when he's not there. Everyone's looking the other way.

Well, in this raid, huge escalation, right? Like, huge moment here. Law enforcement says, you know, this is a justified raid as part of an investigation. Diddy's lawyer said this was pure overreach. And yet, so much of this case, you've got to think at this point, is about witness testimony, right? People saying, like, this happened to me. But then, this videotape leaks, right?

Well, and we are going to take a break right here. When we come back, Ryan is going to walk us through what's on that video, and we'll look ahead to Diddy's trial coming up.

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Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?

I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.

So he gets arrested in 2023. He's not spoken to anybody on camera, Josh, until you.

How does he explain the memoir, the interviews, like he has said in public? Yeah, I was there on the night.

This is interesting to me because we've talked in the past about prosecutors holding the words of people in the music world against them. And the artist will say like, oh, that's just my public persona. It doesn't mean it's the truth. Usually in that case, we're talking about songs and lyrics. This is a memoir that Keefie D presented as nonfiction, right? And now he's changing his story.

Does he say what he thinks happened then?

Well, and Reggie actually spoke to ABC News last year and he denied this. He said, I didn't have anything to do with that. It was one of the worst days of my life when I heard that it happened. But I mean, back to Kifidi, how does he respond to that?

Once you convict him of something violent, now that's public record that he's done something violent. He could do other things that are violent.

And so at the end of all this, it's been nearly three decades. You've got one guy in jail awaiting the first trial that we've seen in this murder. What is the legacy of this murder in this particular case end up being?

had been shot and killed on the streets of las vegas and los angeles i have to think that those cases might have been solved more quickly right to which cops in las vegas and in la have repeatedly said like we have had real issues to confront here we've had the code of the streets we've had this sort of code of silence and yet like you said so many questions throughout all of this josh margolin our chief investigative reporter thank you so much thanks brad

Now, let's quickly hit up the other big stories in the world of true crime this week. First up, in Waterbury, Connecticut, you might have heard of this. A woman has been arrested for holding her stepson in captivity at their home for over 20 years. The male victim was discovered when police responded to a report of an active fire at a residence.

The victim told first responders that he had intentionally set that fire, saying, I want my freedom. He further alleged he had been held captive by his stepmom since he was approximately 11 years old. Police said he had been forced to endure prolonged abuse, starvation, severe neglect and inhumane treatment.

In Winnipeg, Canada, authorities announced recently that after an exhaustive search, the remains of 39-year-old Morgan Harris had been recovered from a landfill. You might remember that last year, Jeremy Skibitsky was charged, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison for the murder of four indigenous women, but not all the bodies had been found.

Despite the pressure that local indigenous groups have continued to place on law enforcement, Morgan Harris is just the second victim whose remains have been located. Lastly, down in St. Petersburg, Florida, a couple has been charged with the kidnapping and murder of 16-year-old Miranda Corsette, who was reported missing on February 24th.

Investigators believe this couple, 35-year-old Steven Gress and 37-year-old Michelle Brandes, first met Corsette on a social media platform on Valentine's Day. Police allege she stayed at their home for a few days and then was killed sometime between the 20th and 24th after some sort of dispute broke out between the three of them.

dies later that week. Well, and before we even get into the investigation here, can we also just take a moment to talk about how big of a deal this was at the time? Because it is tough to overstate the influence of Tupac Shakur in this moment. He had just released his album All Eyes on Me earlier that year, and that has one of his best known songs, California Love.

On March 8th, Michelle Brandes turned herself and her partner over to the police. They didn't have to go far to find Gress, who was already in jail on the unrelated charges of drug possession and threatening Brandes with a harpoon. Both suspects have been charged with first-degree murder, and so far there have been no pleas, no statements by either defendant.

All right, that'll do it for our very first episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us. The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie and Meg Fierro. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Meg Fierro. Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, Madeline Wood, Josh Margolin, and Sasha Pesnik.

Josh Cohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey. I'll see you next time at The Crime Scene. Hear me out. You'll both move in with me.

And yet he's also in the middle of what's becoming this intense East Coast, West Coast rivalry. He's on the West Coast.

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Yeah, like there have been various reports over the years, like the L.A. Times has talked about how should not hire known blood members. How does Kifidi get wrapped up in the Tupac case?

So it seems like then, according to police, Kifidi made his admissions as part of what's known as a proffer agreement, right? So you can't be prosecuted for what you say. What did he tell the cops then? Like, what is the information?

And starting now, I'm bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime scene. This week, we're hearing from the man who, for years, put himself at the scene of Tupac's murder and is now changing his story completely. Since his arrest, he had never spoken on camera until he chose to sit down across from ABC's chief investigative reporter, Josh Margolin.

Well, and Orlando Anderson had denied being the shooter, but now he can't even speak for himself because he died two years after that shootout. This does allegedly place Kifidi at the scene of the crime, though, right? And Kifidi is apparently telling this to prosecutors. And that's not even the only time he speaks about this, right? Like he's been on record about this several times.

And Josh is with us now. Hey, Josh. Brad, how are you? I'm okay. Thanks for being here, because... This is one of the most infamous murders in rap history, in music history, and it's remained unsolved for nearly three decades. So I guess take me back to the beginning, like the night of September 7th, 1996. What happened?

And we're going to take a quick pause right here, but we will be back with Josh Margolin right after the break.

What's next in this case then, Elena?

Yeah. And again, we'll see what comes of this case. But like you said, a community, a military community in this part of the state that was just absolutely shocked to see one of their own disposed of in this way, regardless of who the killer is. We'll see how this trial plays out. Elena, thank you so much.

Now, let's check in on the other big true crime stories of the week. First up, a Wisconsin teen allegedly killed his parents as part of a plot to assassinate President Donald Trump and overthrow the government, according to a recently unsealed federal warrant. Nikita Kasap, 17, was arrested in March and charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of hiding a corpse.

Authorities claim Kasap's plan was to get money for his assassination plot and that he fatally shot his parents at their home outside Milwaukee in February. He allegedly lived with the decomposing bodies for weeks before fleeing with $14,000 cash, passports, and the family dog. He's in custody on a $1 million bond and has not yet offered a plea.

Next up, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, a man has been charged with attempted murder, terrorism, and arson, along with other charges, after authorities say he used a pair of Molotov cocktails to light the governor's residence on fire. Governor Josh Shapiro and his family were actually awoken and rushed to safety after all this.

Hours earlier, they had been celebrating Passover in the very room that was firebombed. Authorities say Cody Balmer, 30 years old, turned himself in and confessed that he would have beaten Shapiro with the small sledgehammer he used to break into the house if he had found him. No plea has been entered for Balmer, and he's been denied bail.

Shapiro delivered emotional remarks outside the damaged governor's mansion this week, saying, "...in this moment of darkness, we are choosing to see the light." Authorities are trying to determine a motive, but say the suspect had expressed animosity toward Democrats like Shapiro, but also toward Republicans like President Trump. The Trump administration has condemned the attack.

Lastly, Spanish police have arrested two people linked to a cat smuggling ring based in Mallorca, Spain. The authorities seized 19 animals and more than 40 irregular animal passports from countries such as Russia, Belarus, and China, according to the civil guard there.

The suspects are alleged to have offered for sale white tigers, clouded leopards, for which they were asking $68,000, Eurasian lynxes, hyenas, black leopards, and pumas. The animals will be moved to a rescue and rehab center for exotic animals in eastern Spain. No plea there has been entered. Okay, that'll do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us.

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I see. So then like cut off from people around it. So at this point, the university is called for a welfare check and Bunnell's girlfriend is called for a welfare check. It's still a missing persons case at this point, right? How are police approaching it and how does that change?

So it sounds like at that point, they must think there's some sort of foul play. What do they find?

Wow. So they find this body with, again, so gruesome. It's been dismembered. And then they make this arrest. You're at that first hearing, which I think is in late March. What is that like?

In January, a retired Green Beret named Clint Bonnell vanished without a trace. Now his wife has been charged with his gruesome murder and his girlfriend is sharing her side of the story. Welcome to the crime scene. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here. And every week, we're bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime space.

Oh, like sitting to get on the same side of the room then?

Right. Like everyone's very much intertwined here.

And you said that investigators have to kind of lay out, here's the evidence we've got that we would be able to present at trial. What is that evidence? What are investigators actually pointing to that would connect Shanna Cloud to the murder of her husband?

This is my question, too. Looming over all this is clearly like the relationship issue. elements that are happening here. So what do we know about the relationship between the husband and wife in the days leading up to all this?

So, to be clear, if she's confronting him, allegedly, about this note from a romantic partner outside their relationship, it's not like this was known or accepted in their marriage, right?

Aha. And recently, ABC News spoke exclusively to that girlfriend. So we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to hear from that girlfriend. We're going to hear from Kelly Edwards herself.

This week, I'm talking to Elena Athens, the anchor and reporter who covered this case for ABC station WTVD in North Carolina. She's going to help us break down all the details here. Hi, Elena. Hey there, Brad. How are you? I'm okay. Thanks for being here. This story has really evolved quickly in the last few weeks, right? Can you just bring us up to speed? Where does the story start?

We are back with Elena Athens from ABC station WTVD in North Carolina. So at this point, Clint Bonnell is married to Shanna Cloud, but he's also got this relationship with Kelly Edwards, effectively his girlfriend at the time that he vanishes. Well, recently, Kelly Edwards spoke exclusively to ABC News. She told us that Clint Bonnell was living separately from his wife the last couple years.

In fact, here's a clip from that interview.

In that interview, Kelly Edwards also referenced some text messages that she had with Clint. What can you tell us about those?

What does that mean, I guess? How will those text messages be used by prosecutors?

Is there a defense from Shanna at all or from her attorneys?

And as you mentioned, the state's also preparing to go to trial. They're building their case. So far, they have the records of the who, the where, the when. What else are they going to be looking at?

That is the thing that I'm still hung up on with this case is it's such a horrific and heinous crime. We know that. But the victim is there's something about like a green beret or a former green beret that seems so invulnerable. And yet here's someone shot and then allegedly chopped up. I mean, what does that say to you, I guess, as a reporter there?

Right.

Like if it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone is kind of the vibe at the end of the day.

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We're back with ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt Gutman, who's been following the Karen Reid case throughout. Matt, we heard the arguments in this case. There have been lots of twists and turns, even so far as having the lead police investigator suspended and then later fired. How did all this then affect the trial and the public response?

To which we should say, Matt, his turtle boy, his name is Aiden Kearney. He's facing witness intimidation charges related to this case now, to which he's pleaded not guilty. Right. But go on.

Why is that? Did you get a sense of what the jury found lacking on either side?

Yeah, Matt, so catch us up on this new trial. So what has happened so far, and what will be different about it, I suppose?

Sometimes you're not allowed to be like, it wasn't me, it was this other person. But here, that's a legitimate defense, perhaps, in this case.

Wait, what? She was an alternate juror on the case and now she's part of the defense team?

that it's hard to imagine. And probably elicits such strong feelings. We're talking about the murder of a cop either by his girlfriend or by other cops. I mean, I got to imagine it just gets really high stakes for everyone.

members of the boston area police departments and state troopers to frame an innocent woman either way it's not pretty well and so then as we go forward jury selection is still in process we'll see how the trial goes but you've actually spoken to the defendant matt like you've spoken to karen reed in the past what is your sense of her and how she comes across to jurors

You know, Brad, I spent a bunch of time with Karen Reid.

Especially now that this judge has said, like, yes, you can sort of explain this theory of the case to these potential jurors. Matt Gutmann, as always, great reporting. Thank you so much. Thanks, Brad. Now, let's check in on some of the other biggest true crime headlines that are making waves this week.

First up, an Oklahoma man has been charged with first-degree murder in the death of a beloved Kansas priest. Father Arul Karasala was shot last Thursday in broad daylight on his church grounds in the small city of Seneca, Kansas. 66-year-old Gary Hermish turned himself in for the murder and is being held on $1 million bond, according to the Nemaha County Attorney Brad Lippert.

Karasala had been the pastor at St. Peter and Paul Catholic Church in Seneca for the last 15 years. No plea has been entered. Next, a soccer coach has been charged with murder after a 13-year-old on his team was reported missing by his family and later found dead, officials announced on Monday.

The teen, Oscar Omar Hernandez, had gone to visit his soccer coach, 43-year-old Mario Edgardo Garcia Aquino, two days earlier, according to Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hockman. Oscar was found dead on Wednesday in the city of Oxnard, west of LA. Hockman says he does not have details on how Oscar was killed at this time.

Lastly, Lori Vallow Daybell, the mother convicted of murdering two of her children in a so-called doomsday plot, is now on trial in Arizona on allegations that she also conspired to kill her fourth husband. Opening statements started this week, and the trial is scheduled through mid-May. Daybell is representing herself at the trial. She is pleaded not guilty.

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Okay, so Karen allegedly drops John O'Keefe off at his colleague Brian's house for this after party. She goes home. What happens next?

And those suspicions lead to an arrest, right?

so what is the theory from the prosecution here is that Karen Reed is drunk and then hits this guy with her car and leaves him to die because Karen by the way denies being drunk or incapacitated so what is the actual argument being made by the prosecution that's pretty

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So to the prosecution, open and shut case, like you said, Occam's razor, simplest explanations, the most probable explanation. But the defense here, Matt, has told a completely different story, right? They've alleged a framing and a cover up by fellow police officers. Everyone in that house has said not a chance. We had nothing to do with it. There's no framing.

John O'Keefe never even entered the house, they say. So what is the defense alleging here?

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Wait, that's the term of the Google search? How long to die in the cold? But like a typo version of how long to die in the cold?

Oh, so like you open up a tab, it says like that tab was open since 2.30, but maybe the search term wasn't put in until 6 a.m. or something. Exactly. So then, isn't the other thing here, Matt, that... All the investigators are cops. So many of the people allegedly in that house at the time are cops.

Is it possible for investigators to maintain distance in the case like this where it's a dead cop, it's cop witnesses? How do you keep that distance? Can you?

Matt, I did not think we would see each other so soon after you joined us last week, but I'm so happy you're here. Thanks for being with us. I'm happy to be here, Brad. Thank you. So this story starts in 2022. It's January 28th. It's a winter night. In fact, it's the night of a historic snowstorm. Can you walk us through what happened?

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That's not in dispute, right? They were convicted of murdering their parents. Can you take us back to that time? What was life like for this family?

All right, we're back with ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt Gutman, who's been following the Menendez case for years. Matt, the family has asked the DA to reconsider his ruling on the resentencing. What happens next?

Because it's like, the previous DA has already set the wheels in motion, and so then, like, you don't just want to have DAs, political appointees, like, going back and forth on whether somebody can get out of prison or not.

Still up to the judge, like you said, but he's basically pulling any support that the DA's office had for this whole thing.

Well, so, OK, so then there's the D.A. who has a lot of power in this case. There's the judge who theoretically has even more power. Right. He could even deny the D.A. 's request here. Then there's the governor of California. Right. In any case, I know we talk about death row, but can't the governor like commute their sentences if he felt like it?

Okay, so next steps, Matt? I mean, because this is all happening, all of us after 35 years, it's all happening very quickly. What happens next?

What's the big takeaway from all this, Matt, at the end of the day? You've been sitting with this case now for years, and all this is changing right now. I mean, what is so resonant about this at this moment?

Right. And can our definitions of justice shift over time, even when we write laws that we treat as permanent, like life without the possibility of parole? Matt Gutman, our chief national correspondent, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Brad. Now, let's check in on some of the other biggest true crime headlines that are making waves this week.

First up, the rapper Sean Kingston and his mother, Janice Turner, were found guilty of committing more than a million dollars in wire fraud in their federal trial last week. Authorities presented evidence showing the pair used fake wire transfer receipts to obtain jewelry, a Cadillac Escalade and furniture.

A key piece of evidence here was a text message from Kingston to his mother that read, I told you to make a fake receipt, followed by, so it looks like the transfer will be there in a couple of days. The mother and son are scheduled to be sentenced on July 11th.

Next up, Jodi Hildebrandt, who was a co-defendant in the case of mommy vlogger turned convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie, is now challenging her own conviction.

Hildebrandt pleaded guilty to abusing Ruby Frankie's two youngest children, but in a new filing, Hildebrandt alleges she did not understand her rights when she entered that guilty plea, saying she had ineffective counsel and was denied due process. She's also claiming prosecutorial misconduct.

In related news, the divorce of Ruby and Kevin Franke is now final, and Kevin Franke was given full custody of the four children who are still minors. Lastly, an anesthesiologist named Gerhard Koenig has been charged with trying to kill his wife on a Hawaii hiking trail.

The wife wrote in a petition for a temporary restraining order that her husband pushed her toward the edge of a cliff before attempting to inject her with a syringe. A judge signed an order saying Koenig must stay away from his wife and their children. No plea has been entered. All right, and that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us.

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And so in 1993, their trials began. I think they were tried separately at the time, right? They both pleaded not guilty. What was the claim they were making?

Well, and speaking of this moment, this was also the beginning of cameras in courtrooms, as we now know them. And there was footage from this trial that ABC has. And in fact, here's a clip of Lyle Menendez on the stand talking about what, again, at this moment was sort of earth shattering for us to hear. So let's listen to that.

Very.

What was the reaction to that, Matt?

You said imperfect self-defense. What does that mean? Because this isn't a question of whether or not they killed their parents, right? Like at this point, they have admitted, yes, we committed this very grotesque act, but they're saying it's not murder because it was self-defense. What is the argument they're making here?

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Well, and then Matt, like that's about as final of an end as you can have in this legal system. But then after spending decades behind bars, there were these incredible new developments starting in 2023. The brothers filed a petition for review of new evidence that they say wasn't presented at their original trial. This is now a petition to get a new trial.

How did that work and what was the new evidence? Well,

Which is also important because the family had denied that abuse was happening, but here if you've got evidence that it might have been happening not just with the boys but other people as well, that all of a sudden becomes more plausible, I presume.

Well, and that's the thing that is like this groundswell also seems to involve, it's a whole new generation of people who are like, yes, childhood sexual trauma is real, is more common than we might've thought and has a greater effect than, than we might've thought on people. So I guess I'm wondering how all that sort of plays into the DA's decision.

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Wait, okay, so you said it depends on which DA, because that DA that you're talking about, he then loses that election, right? A new DA comes in. What's his opinion on it then?

Before we get into the recent news, I just want to revisit some important details here, because I grew up in Southern California, Matt. Like, I grew up on the OJ trial, the Tupac killing, and yet this still remains one of the most infamous double murders of its day. So Lyle and Eric Menendez, 18 and 21, gunned down and killed their parents, Jose Menendez and Kitty Menendez in Beverly Hills.

So then Hockman is kind of signaling how he feels about this case. He's kept his cards close to his vest, but like now he's saying, I don't buy it. The family says, please, please reconsider. Hockman declined to comment on the letter. We're going to take a quick break right here. And when we come back, we're going to hear more about the DA's ruling.

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When we talk about Lori Vallow, I know the cases are separate, but as far as Lori Vallow Daybell, what is her defense during this trial?

Which is within her rights, of course. But so the verdict comes in. Lori's convicted of first degree murder and the conspiracy to murder JJ and Tylee. She's only convicted of the conspiracy to murder Tammy Daybell. She's also convicted of grand theft by deception for apparently taking the Social Security benefits after their deaths. What did her sentence end up being?

And then Chad is convicted of the three murders, the conspiracy of all those murders, grand theft and insurance fraud. His sentencing is different though, right?

Well, and the reason we're talking about this right now is because now there's been an even more recent trial with Lori Vallow Daybell. This trial happened where you are in Arizona. What was that about?

Obviously, the implication is that Lori was part of the ambush then.

What's it like in there? What's Lori like, I suppose?

And so how did it go, I guess? How did the trial sort of play out? How did the verdict end up?

And this happened after Lori Vallow then had moved from Arizona to Idaho with her two children and her brother, right? Why the big move?

Well, and we actually have audio of this exchange between Lori and Nancy Jo in the courtroom. So Lori's the one asking the questions. Let's take a listen.

Okay.

It's going to say at this point, Lori Vallow Daybell is a convicted murderer, convicted of murdering her children with the guy that she ran off with. So I can't imagine how that must have gone over in the courtroom.

I see. Because all this happened before the children were killed anyway. Yeah.

Oh, like that's the motive that the prosecutors were listing here. It's all about life insurance money.

Oh, that's the line in the text. Yeah.

Yeah, and by the way, not a long deliberation, it sounded like.

Well, and so jury finds her guilty. Obviously, she's already serving these multiple life sentences without parole in Idaho. Now you tack on another conviction in Arizona. And that's not even the end of the charges facing her in Arizona, right? What happens next?

Right. And Melanie, by the way, not implicated in any of the murders. Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, died in December 2019 of natural causes. And Laurie's pleaded not guilty to that. So even though she's been convicted of these other things, again, presumption of innocence with that particular case. But at the end of the day, Mary Ellen, I guess what continues to draw you to this case?

Because, again, it's so there's so many characters. It's so widespread. What sticks out to you about this as to what makes this so unique?

Well, I really appreciate you taking the time and laying all this out for us. Again, it's so wild that years later now, it's not just the children. It's not just the ex-spouses. There's even another alleged victim that, like you said, families still want justice here.

Yeah. Mary Ellen, thank you so much for the time.

Now let's check in on the other big true crime stories of the week. First up, this week in Paris, one of the most anticipated trials of the year got underway. The alleged robbery, abduction and kidnapping of reality TV star Kim Kardashian back in 2016. You might remember this case. According to police, Kardashian was gagged, tied up and robbed at gunpoint of jewelry worth nearly $9 million.

Two defendants have partially confessed to the crime. Some of the other defendants are suspected of providing information about Kardashian's presence in that apartment. Others are accused of playing a role in the resale of the jewelry. These suspects, by the way, were nicknamed the Grandpa Robbers by the French media because they're in their 60s and 70s,

And this week, we learned from defense attorneys that one of the suspects died earlier this year. His cause of death remains unknown. Kardashian, by the way, is expected to testify in person at this trial, which is scheduled to go through late May. Next up, a new development in the Sean Combs case.

A federal judge in New York decided that the Cassie video will be admissible in the upcoming sex trafficking and racketeering trial. You might remember this from our own Brian Buckmeyer describing it last week. The video shows Combs kicking and dragging his then-girlfriend Cassie Ventura in an LA hotel in 2016. The defense argued that the video, which was first obtained by CNN, was manipulated.

CNN denies this. Combs has pleaded not guilty to all charges. Lastly, a Missouri firefighter and paramedic was allegedly stabbed to death on his way to the hospital. According to Kansas City officials, Graham Hoffman was stabbed in the chest by a patient he was transporting during an otherwise routine medical call. Hoffman had been with the Kansas City Fire Department since 2022.

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Like they sort of track her to Hawaii. They show up and say, hey, back in Idaho, your children are missing. You're their guardian. got to produce them somehow. Hello.

In Chad Daybell's backyard, right? New husband. What happens next?

And then I think it's worth exploring a little bit more about the backgrounds of both of these suspects at this point. So Lori Vallow, Daybell, what can you tell me about her and her sort of background?

Wow. And Lori's niece said this later at trial, right? But what's just so shocking about this whole case is that this isn't even the first time Lori or Chad have been talking about this kind of thing. In fact, it's not even the first time someone in Lori's life has been found dead.

Because before Lori's kids were found dead, that fourth husband you mentioned, Charles Vallow, who she was married to for 13 years, he was also found dead. So can you walk me through how that unfolded?

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Translated meaning transformed, basically not a mortal being anymore.

Charles is like, she's saying this stuff about me all the time.

And so his death is actually the first in what would eventually be a series of killings.

Good to meet you. So there's a lot to unpack here. This case has taken twists and turns over years at this point. So can you just remind us how Lori Vallow Daybell initially becomes sort of part of the national conversation?

All right. And we are going to take a quick break right here. So when we come back, we will pick it up there in Idaho with the murder trial over Lori's two kids.

We are back with ABC News and 2020 editorial producer Mary Ellen Resendez-Shuiso. So Mary Ellen, to set the stage a little bit, we're in Idaho now. Lori's kids had been missing, then later found dead in Chad Daybell's backyard. And now Chad Daybell, that author that Lori fell in love with, he and Lori are being charged with the murder of her children, among other crimes.

So can you walk me through that trial?

Right. And so both Chad and Lori are facing charges for the murders of JJ and Tylee. We should also mention there's another victim as part of this trial, Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife at the time that Lori moved up to Idaho.

Okay, I see. And then Lori is charged with and convicted of only the conspiracy regarding Tammy. Chad, on the other hand, is charged with Tammy's murder itself. So there are so many respective spouses and there's the children. Can we get back to the kids? How do they think the children actually died?

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Robin, George, Michael, GMA. America's favorite number one morning show. The morning's first breaking news. Exclusive interviews. What everyone will be talking about that day. Put some good in your morning and start your day with GMA.

Put the good in your morning. GMA 7A on ABC.