Brian Stewart

And so while they know that the reason for the law is to protect domestic violence victims from the eventual murder or or worse violence that can come from not intervening in these situations, they didn't appreciate the risk. This officer Pratt said, yeah, that's the law and yeah, that's what it's intended to prevent, but I don't think that will happen here because of my experience and my biases.

And so that's really why the lethality assessment protocol that they should have done would have been so important because understanding the law and the situation, they could have asked these questions and appreciated and helped Gabby appreciate the danger that she was in.

And so that's really why the lethality assessment protocol that they should have done would have been so important because understanding the law and the situation, they could have asked these questions and appreciated and helped Gabby appreciate the danger that she was in.

And so that's really why the lethality assessment protocol that they should have done would have been so important because understanding the law and the situation, they could have asked these questions and appreciated and helped Gabby appreciate the danger that she was in.

Right. And that really becomes obvious, the biases that they have. They're clearly identifying with Brian. Even during the stop, they have conversations with Brian saying, yeah, my wife gets crazy too. My wife gets upset too. And so they're identifying with Brian and his situation in dealing with an upset woman. And so they're not seeing it from Gabby's perspective.

Right. And that really becomes obvious, the biases that they have. They're clearly identifying with Brian. Even during the stop, they have conversations with Brian saying, yeah, my wife gets crazy too. My wife gets upset too. And so they're identifying with Brian and his situation in dealing with an upset woman. And so they're not seeing it from Gabby's perspective.

Right. And that really becomes obvious, the biases that they have. They're clearly identifying with Brian. Even during the stop, they have conversations with Brian saying, yeah, my wife gets crazy too. My wife gets upset too. And so they're identifying with Brian and his situation in dealing with an upset woman. And so they're not seeing it from Gabby's perspective.

So part of the training that officers and law enforcement need is not just you know, what are the signs and what is the law, but also to be aware of their own biases and to be aware enough to be able to put themselves in the situation of both of the participants in a domestic violence situation.

So part of the training that officers and law enforcement need is not just you know, what are the signs and what is the law, but also to be aware of their own biases and to be aware enough to be able to put themselves in the situation of both of the participants in a domestic violence situation.

So part of the training that officers and law enforcement need is not just you know, what are the signs and what is the law, but also to be aware of their own biases and to be aware enough to be able to put themselves in the situation of both of the participants in a domestic violence situation.

That's correct. The wrongful death lawsuit was dismissed at the trial court level because of the Governmental Immunity Act. But the Utah Constitution says that the legislature and statute cannot infringe a person's ability to bring a wrongful death lawsuit against or to recover in wrongful death for damages.

That's correct. The wrongful death lawsuit was dismissed at the trial court level because of the Governmental Immunity Act. But the Utah Constitution says that the legislature and statute cannot infringe a person's ability to bring a wrongful death lawsuit against or to recover in wrongful death for damages.

That's correct. The wrongful death lawsuit was dismissed at the trial court level because of the Governmental Immunity Act. But the Utah Constitution says that the legislature and statute cannot infringe a person's ability to bring a wrongful death lawsuit against or to recover in wrongful death for damages.

And so there's a conflict between the Utah Constitution and this governmental immunity statute. And that's the basis of our appeal to the Utah Supreme Court.

And so there's a conflict between the Utah Constitution and this governmental immunity statute. And that's the basis of our appeal to the Utah Supreme Court.

And so there's a conflict between the Utah Constitution and this governmental immunity statute. And that's the basis of our appeal to the Utah Supreme Court.

There was some settlement, but I'll let Joe and Tara speak to that if they'd like.

There was some settlement, but I'll let Joe and Tara speak to that if they'd like.

There was some settlement, but I'll let Joe and Tara speak to that if they'd like.

Brian Stewart, welcome back to Wall Street Breakfast. Great to be here on a Friday with you.