Caroline Hyde

According to sources, Primo's senior tech editor, Mike Shepard, joins us.

You go into the blog that Anthropic has pointed out.

And yes, they talk about some of the steps that have already been taken in terms of safety, some of the achievements they've already made.

But they really highlight that despite rapid advancements in AI capabilities in the last three years, government action in AI safety has been slow.

Is that what they're trying to call out here?

You know, Carol, that is one thing they're trying to call out, but they are also acknowledging this stiff competition that they face in the AI space globally.

They are competing with OpenAI, XAI, and, of course, with Google for a piece of what Martha Norton was also acknowledging yesterday.

as a massive competitive landscape.

There's so much business to be done out there, and we have seen industry after industry shaken by the prospect of some of these new tools from Anthropic and from other providers that could really change the way business is done and how people actually do their work from day to day.

So there is both that question, but then also the one that you zeroed in on, and that is that they are not seeing any traction at the federal level when it comes to discussion of these safety-oriented issues.

And, of course, that's the conversation coming up now at the Pentagon.

The company is insisting that it will not be relaxing those two standards, that it doesn't want mass surveillance of Americans via the Pentagon through its technology or the fully autonomous use of its technology in weapons.

Right.

Again, this relaxation of that safety principle when it comes to competition is a significant and worthy change to note here.

Take us inside the room.

We reported that Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei met with Secretary Hegseff, I believe, yesterday, Tuesday.

There is a deadline of Friday from the Pentagon's perspective, but in our reporting, Anthropic has conditions of its own that it is putting to the Pentagon quickly.

Yes, Anthropica has set those conditions as no mass surveillance and no use of its technology and fully autonomous targeting.

And now those conditions, it's unclear at what point they will heal.

The Pentagon says, look, you don't need those conditions.