Christopher Rufo
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard 7 Sep
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Yeah, I mean, it has been a journey. And some of the moments in the past few months have had a surreal feeling. I've been working on these issues for five years. At the beginning, it felt like I was the only one fighting. And now, fast forward five years, some of the ideas that I had cobbled together suddenly... become reality. They become policy.
They affect billions of dollars in the flow of funds. And so that's a great feeling. I think as an activist, there's really nothing better than seeing the ideas that you fought for against the odds triumph and become reality.
Well, it could happen to a larger number of universities. But what we're seeing right now is, in fact, a prototype of that strategy. And if you take Columbia University as really the first trial of this strategy, we've seen an enormous payoff.
And so what I'd like to see and why this is a medium and long-term goal is I'd like to see that prototype industrialized and applied to all of the universities as a sector. All of them.
And I would like to see, in addition, a modification in about $120 to $150 billion a year from federal taxpayers to universities used as leverage to extract significant reforms and to reduce the size of the sector itself. I think that is what is coming. It's going to come either through the market mechanisms, but I think it could come even faster with good policy.
Yeah, well, I mean, even in my own personal experience, I entered my university education with a far left mindset and politics. Yeah, how far left? You know, very far left. You know, I grew up, my kind of formative political education was from my... family in Italy. And my family in Italy is all unreconstructed communists.
So my first exposure to political literature was in my aunt's house in Rome and browsing through her collected works of Lenin. And so I grew up very committed to left-wing politics, getting out of high school, wanting to be in politics, going to Georgetown in DC for that reason.
But the kind of ideals that I had built up in my head as a young person through my own study and experience and conversations, once they made contact with the reality of left-wing politics in elite university kind of milieu, Everything just shattered. It broke apart. And what I found is that in America, left-wing politics is an elite venture geared towards social status.
It's not a popular venture geared towards the material or psychic well-being of the average citizen. And that led to a question saying, all right, well, this doesn't feel right. This seems empty. This seems cynical. And so what I decided was that I wanted to actually get a political education outside the university context, outside the academic context.
And what I figured out was that producing documentary films was a good way to actually get out and see the world. So I did that for about 10 years with the idea of really just kind of testing my own ideas and my own questions against reality. And so I decided to make a film about three of America's forgotten cities, Youngstown, Ohio, Memphis, Tennessee, and Stockton, California.
really three of the poorest, most violent, most destitute, and most forgotten places in America. And this is now about 10 years ago. And having actually spent three years in the field, in jails and prisons, in public housing projects, in abandoned steel mills, meeting people, understanding how the government operated in those communities.
That's when I really had my total crisis of confidence in not just this kind of revolutionary cause play on campus, but actually the fundamental principles of the great society itself. And at that point, I thought that the idea of the post-war left was could not withstand any scrutiny.
And I think the reason that you get people retreating to campus is because their policies can only survive in that hothouse environment. And if you actually escape that hothouse and you get into the actual real places that were supposed to be helped, you find that those policies can't be defended.
Yeah, rotten, you know, absolutely corrupted. The entire project
project of the American government since the mid-1960s has been very self-consciously an attempt to recruit the so-called best and brightest from the Ivy League universities and to have them cook up policy ideas that will then be imposed on the rest of the country in the name of equality, in the name of justice, in the name of all of these kind of high values. But
What I learned through my experience in higher education and then my experience spending a number of years in American communities, especially poor American communities, is that that project has failed.
Yeah, I think those are really good snapshot statistics. And conservative academics have been talking about some of these broader trends for many decades. The long march through the institutions, the capture of the humanities, the extreme left-wing bias of university departments. What I think happened that was a decisive change was really in 2020, following the death of George Floyd. And
All of a sudden, those ideas and that structure, that language, those symbols, those narratives, those arguments, they escaped the laboratory of academia and were then imposed throughout society via all of the surrounding institutions. And so it was in your kids' school curriculum. It was in your work's HR training. It was in your television news program.
And you have this sudden coherence of a replacement narrative about America, about our history, about our people, about our culture, about our politics. And so when you have this kind of ideology that had been, again, cooking in the universities for a long time, Americans could kind of ignore it. Say, well, that's just the faculty at X, Y, and Z university.
That's just in some obscure academic texts. But once it propagated, and had become really ubiquitous within America's institutions. That's when things shifted for most people. That's when there was an opening for some actual reform and change and discussion beyond what had become kind of a ghettoized discussion in the kind of intellectual right.
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