Dan Jones

And I don't think he's totally serious, but he lets Henry believe he's totally serious. And it's a, it's a, it's a valuable lesson. Um, In 1413, Henry IV eventually dies in the Jerusalem Chamber in the Palace of Westminster. And at that point, it's clear that this was never a serious proposition that Thomas, the second son, was going to take over the throne.

And I don't think he's totally serious, but he lets Henry believe he's totally serious. And it's a, it's a, it's a valuable lesson. Um, In 1413, Henry IV eventually dies in the Jerusalem Chamber in the Palace of Westminster. And at that point, it's clear that this was never a serious proposition that Thomas, the second son, was going to take over the throne.

And I don't think he's totally serious, but he lets Henry believe he's totally serious. And it's a, it's a, it's a valuable lesson. Um, In 1413, Henry IV eventually dies in the Jerusalem Chamber in the Palace of Westminster. And at that point, it's clear that this was never a serious proposition that Thomas, the second son, was going to take over the throne.

Henry, Prince of Wales, becomes Henry V. And from that point on, things start to get a bit easier because, as his aging father had rightly perceived, it was absolutely vital that Prince Henry became King Henry with an orderly transition of power, with a legitimate death of one king, proclamation of his eldest son, coronation.

Henry, Prince of Wales, becomes Henry V. And from that point on, things start to get a bit easier because, as his aging father had rightly perceived, it was absolutely vital that Prince Henry became King Henry with an orderly transition of power, with a legitimate death of one king, proclamation of his eldest son, coronation.

Henry, Prince of Wales, becomes Henry V. And from that point on, things start to get a bit easier because, as his aging father had rightly perceived, it was absolutely vital that Prince Henry became King Henry with an orderly transition of power, with a legitimate death of one king, proclamation of his eldest son, coronation.

These political norms that had been broken by the revolution of 1399 to 1400 had to be restored and normality in politics had to be resumed. It's a feeling that many people in the world hang for today, I'm sure. But they managed to pull it off. And so from 1413 onwards, English politics starts to sort of pick up a little bit and the fortunes of the country start to revive.

These political norms that had been broken by the revolution of 1399 to 1400 had to be restored and normality in politics had to be resumed. It's a feeling that many people in the world hang for today, I'm sure. But they managed to pull it off. And so from 1413 onwards, English politics starts to sort of pick up a little bit and the fortunes of the country start to revive.

These political norms that had been broken by the revolution of 1399 to 1400 had to be restored and normality in politics had to be resumed. It's a feeling that many people in the world hang for today, I'm sure. But they managed to pull it off. And so from 1413 onwards, English politics starts to sort of pick up a little bit and the fortunes of the country start to revive.

Yeah, I mean, the lesson there is that politics has always been about, you know, what is the phrase we use today, controlling the narrative, even when the narrative, if you start to unpick it, is completely preposterous. What you have in the 14th century is the, you know, Richard II has been murdered. They don't say he's been murdered, he's died.

Yeah, I mean, the lesson there is that politics has always been about, you know, what is the phrase we use today, controlling the narrative, even when the narrative, if you start to unpick it, is completely preposterous. What you have in the 14th century is the, you know, Richard II has been murdered. They don't say he's been murdered, he's died.

Yeah, I mean, the lesson there is that politics has always been about, you know, what is the phrase we use today, controlling the narrative, even when the narrative, if you start to unpick it, is completely preposterous. What you have in the 14th century is the, you know, Richard II has been murdered. They don't say he's been murdered, he's died.

They parade, as you said, they parade his body around the place. Hey, look, he's dead. Hey, look, he's dead. Here's the dead guy, he's dead. But within months, people, they don't want to hear that. And so rumors of Richard II's survival persist for well into Henry V's reign.

They parade, as you said, they parade his body around the place. Hey, look, he's dead. Hey, look, he's dead. Here's the dead guy, he's dead. But within months, people, they don't want to hear that. And so rumors of Richard II's survival persist for well into Henry V's reign.

They parade, as you said, they parade his body around the place. Hey, look, he's dead. Hey, look, he's dead. Here's the dead guy, he's dead. But within months, people, they don't want to hear that. And so rumors of Richard II's survival persist for well into Henry V's reign.

I mean, decades after he's been buried once, King's Langley, the start of Henry V's reign, he has him reburied in the tomb Richard had designed for himself where he still lies today in Westminster Abbey.

I mean, decades after he's been buried once, King's Langley, the start of Henry V's reign, he has him reburied in the tomb Richard had designed for himself where he still lies today in Westminster Abbey.

I mean, decades after he's been buried once, King's Langley, the start of Henry V's reign, he has him reburied in the tomb Richard had designed for himself where he still lies today in Westminster Abbey.

um and even still years after that there's there are still these kind of whispers that actually the real richard ii was kind of spirited away that his body was swapped with somebody else's that he'll be back it's not really about richard himself it's about the desire for an alternative and if you proceed from that desire people are willing to warp their their uh like suspend their disbelief suspend their common sense suspend their understanding of how the world's

um and even still years after that there's there are still these kind of whispers that actually the real richard ii was kind of spirited away that his body was swapped with somebody else's that he'll be back it's not really about richard himself it's about the desire for an alternative and if you proceed from that desire people are willing to warp their their uh like suspend their disbelief suspend their common sense suspend their understanding of how the world's