Danielle Elliott

I was about to stop the recorder when Ned turned and said, She knows more about couples than anyone in the world. Sue is a therapist. When Ned's first book came out, couples started contacting her about ADHD. She moved around the kitchen as she explained this, then stopped to pour me a glass of wine.

She said that back then, she had no idea how to offer couples therapy focused on ADHD.

She said that back then, she had no idea how to offer couples therapy focused on ADHD.

Two what?

Two what?

Over dinner, we talked about ADHD and relationships and trends Sue is seeing in her practice.

Over dinner, we talked about ADHD and relationships and trends Sue is seeing in her practice.

She said she's definitely seeing a rise in diagnosis in the last few years and that so many people really don't understand how much ADHD impacts relationships. Eventually, Ned stood up. He carried our plates to the sink and started washing the dishes. Sue asked if I had plans for July 4th. I told her I'd be in Michigan visiting friends. She said she'd be there, too.

She said she's definitely seeing a rise in diagnosis in the last few years and that so many people really don't understand how much ADHD impacts relationships. Eventually, Ned stood up. He carried our plates to the sink and started washing the dishes. Sue asked if I had plans for July 4th. I told her I'd be in Michigan visiting friends. She said she'd be there, too.

This was news to me. My brain started firing off in a million directions. When people say I have shiny ball syndrome, well, this is why. Sue and Ned started telling me about their camp, and I was already lost in my head, figuring out how I could go. How long have you had it? It's going to be our 19th year. When is it? It's July... It would start while I was in Michigan.

This was news to me. My brain started firing off in a million directions. When people say I have shiny ball syndrome, well, this is why. Sue and Ned started telling me about their camp, and I was already lost in my head, figuring out how I could go. How long have you had it? It's going to be our 19th year. When is it? It's July... It would start while I was in Michigan.

I was thinking that a camp for families with ADHD must be full of women with ADHD. Maybe women who were recently diagnosed. Maybe women who don't even know yet that they have ADHD. And I could be there the moment they figured it out.

I was thinking that a camp for families with ADHD must be full of women with ADHD. Maybe women who were recently diagnosed. Maybe women who don't even know yet that they have ADHD. And I could be there the moment they figured it out.

I finally just came out with it. I asked if I could go to their camp.

I finally just came out with it. I asked if I could go to their camp.

That night, I extended my trip to Michigan. After seeing friends for the Fourth of July, I'd drive north to their camp to see how much can happen in a week and how the women at the Hallowell camp might help me understand what's happened in the last four years. That's next time on Climbing the Walls. Climbing the Walls was written and reported by me, Danielle Elliott.

That night, I extended my trip to Michigan. After seeing friends for the Fourth of July, I'd drive north to their camp to see how much can happen in a week and how the women at the Hallowell camp might help me understand what's happened in the last four years. That's next time on Climbing the Walls. Climbing the Walls was written and reported by me, Danielle Elliott.

It was edited by Neil Drumming. Sound design by Cody Nelson. Brianna Berry was our production director. Ash Beecher was our supervising producer. And Diana White was our associate producer. Fact-checking by Mary Mathis. Research by Karen Watanabe. Our music was composed by Kwame Brant Pierce, with additional music provided by Blue Dot Sessions, and our mixing was done by Justin D. Wright.

It was edited by Neil Drumming. Sound design by Cody Nelson. Brianna Berry was our production director. Ash Beecher was our supervising producer. And Diana White was our associate producer. Fact-checking by Mary Mathis. Research by Karen Watanabe. Our music was composed by Kwame Brant Pierce, with additional music provided by Blue Dot Sessions, and our mixing was done by Justin D. Wright.

This series was brought to you by Understood.org, a nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering people with learning and thinking differences, like ADHD and dyslexia. From understood.org, our executive directors are Laura Key, Scott Cochier, and Seth Melnick. A very special thanks to Ray Jacobson, Julie Zietz, Jordan Davidson, Sarah Greenberg, and Kathleen Nadeau.