Dave Fleming

Okay. You guys want me to let the phones hang or leave them here? And Charles kind of saves me because it's clear that he wants to talk football. I looked at the Cowboys' schedule before we came over here, and I noticed, okay, they play the Texans. Is it like week? I think it's 11. Okay.

Week 11. Yes. Charles grew up big. You can tell that from the clips that we're watching. Was an offensive and defensive lineman in middle school. And the first thing he wants to talk about is the Cowboys-Texans game on Monday night, of course.

Week 11. Yes. Charles grew up big. You can tell that from the clips that we're watching. Was an offensive and defensive lineman in middle school. And the first thing he wants to talk about is the Cowboys-Texans game on Monday night, of course.

Week 11. Yes. Charles grew up big. You can tell that from the clips that we're watching. Was an offensive and defensive lineman in middle school. And the first thing he wants to talk about is the Cowboys-Texans game on Monday night, of course.

His cell, smaller than this studio, 9 by 12? It's probably...

His cell, smaller than this studio, 9 by 12? It's probably...

His cell, smaller than this studio, 9 by 12? It's probably...

Some of the death row cells are actually as small as 60 square feet, and they are in there 23 hours a day without exception.

Some of the death row cells are actually as small as 60 square feet, and they are in there 23 hours a day without exception.

Some of the death row cells are actually as small as 60 square feet, and they are in there 23 hours a day without exception.

He described the two vertical windows, thin windows with the mesh screen on those grates, those vertical grates at the front of his cell. And basically they have to go there and sort of put an eye between the grate to see the community television that, by the way, just showed up a couple of years ago.

He described the two vertical windows, thin windows with the mesh screen on those grates, those vertical grates at the front of his cell. And basically they have to go there and sort of put an eye between the grate to see the community television that, by the way, just showed up a couple of years ago.

He described the two vertical windows, thin windows with the mesh screen on those grates, those vertical grates at the front of his cell. And basically they have to go there and sort of put an eye between the grate to see the community television that, by the way, just showed up a couple of years ago.

The fact that it's his legal papers that he's using to help him with his sports fandom, it's perfect. It is quaint in a way.

The fact that it's his legal papers that he's using to help him with his sports fandom, it's perfect. It is quaint in a way.

The fact that it's his legal papers that he's using to help him with his sports fandom, it's perfect. It is quaint in a way.

I don't want to overstep or anything like that, but basically my question was, Trash talk could be dangerous, can it? In a prison? I mean, it's like, I'm not going to trash talk anybody. And he had a really interesting explanation for that.

I don't want to overstep or anything like that, but basically my question was, Trash talk could be dangerous, can it? In a prison? I mean, it's like, I'm not going to trash talk anybody. And he had a really interesting explanation for that.

I don't want to overstep or anything like that, but basically my question was, Trash talk could be dangerous, can it? In a prison? I mean, it's like, I'm not going to trash talk anybody. And he had a really interesting explanation for that.

Is that scary? I mean, you're talking trash with, you could be talking trash with some pretty bad dudes, right?