David Barboza

Yes, thank you. Great to be here with you, Nicole. I think this is one of the things, it's a great journalism question, it's also great that your first episode mentions, like, we need to deal with this issue. As a journalist covering China, you know you've gotta write about the Communist Party, you've gotta write about the toughest things that China's doing. hacking my own email.

Yes, thank you. Great to be here with you, Nicole. I think this is one of the things, it's a great journalism question, it's also great that your first episode mentions, like, we need to deal with this issue. As a journalist covering China, you know you've gotta write about the Communist Party, you've gotta write about the toughest things that China's doing. hacking my own email.

But also, that's going to affect the readers. That's going to affect politicians. That's going to lead to a little xenophobia. As you probably know, there's FBI investigations. There's concerns about Chinese students at universities. You may or may not know this, but the three major American chip companies are all Chinese Americans. So China is a source of talent.

But also, that's going to affect the readers. That's going to affect politicians. That's going to lead to a little xenophobia. As you probably know, there's FBI investigations. There's concerns about Chinese students at universities. You may or may not know this, but the three major American chip companies are all Chinese Americans. So China is a source of talent.

You have just discrimination, human rights, all of those things. So I think as a journalist, maybe the first years I was in China wasn't a big deal. But every year since then, especially now, you have to think in journalism, but not only in journalism, about What is the story? Is it the Chinese actors, the Chinese cyber spies? Could that become easily seen as Chinese?

You have just discrimination, human rights, all of those things. So I think as a journalist, maybe the first years I was in China wasn't a big deal. But every year since then, especially now, you have to think in journalism, but not only in journalism, about What is the story? Is it the Chinese actors, the Chinese cyber spies? Could that become easily seen as Chinese?

These are suspicions about Chinese students. Or my colleague is Chinese. My wife is Chinese. So I do worry a lot about that. I think every story we write, we need to think about not only is it true what we're saying, but what could be the impact of this story? Could it lead to xenophobia in the country?

These are suspicions about Chinese students. Or my colleague is Chinese. My wife is Chinese. So I do worry a lot about that. I think every story we write, we need to think about not only is it true what we're saying, but what could be the impact of this story? Could it lead to xenophobia in the country?

So I think saying that up front and thinking about that, there are lots of Chinese Americans, Asian Americans in this country. We know what happened during COVID. So I think keeping that top of mind, we're going to say some really tough things about China, but we shouldn't think everyone who's Chinese is a spy, is a hacker, is the threat.

So I think saying that up front and thinking about that, there are lots of Chinese Americans, Asian Americans in this country. We know what happened during COVID. So I think keeping that top of mind, we're going to say some really tough things about China, but we shouldn't think everyone who's Chinese is a spy, is a hacker, is the threat.

I think that's the thing also the Chinese love is that they know you can't punch back in certain ways. This is their advantage to use the US system, the openness of the US, the universities, just an open freedom rule of law society and say, let's take advantage of that. Let's find the holes and we know they can't strike back in some ways, right?

I think that's the thing also the Chinese love is that they know you can't punch back in certain ways. This is their advantage to use the US system, the openness of the US, the universities, just an open freedom rule of law society and say, let's take advantage of that. Let's find the holes and we know they can't strike back in some ways, right?

So I think it's been, that's the game they've been playing for decades and now they're getting really good at it.

So I think it's been, that's the game they've been playing for decades and now they're getting really good at it.

I would imagine his takeaways are celebratory, that he sees a bit of chaos in the US. If they're laying off at CISA, he's like, wow, this advantage is going to come even faster. And I think back to the earlier question that it's not just about Taiwan. I think even if Taiwan were not the case, they would still be in the infrastructure. It's about leverage. It's about the rise of China.

I would imagine his takeaways are celebratory, that he sees a bit of chaos in the US. If they're laying off at CISA, he's like, wow, this advantage is going to come even faster. And I think back to the earlier question that it's not just about Taiwan. I think even if Taiwan were not the case, they would still be in the infrastructure. It's about leverage. It's about the rise of China.

challenging the U.S. in every realm. We're talking a lot about infrastructure, which is important, but they want to challenge the U.S. in everything, the top universities, the top AI, our own semiconductors. They want to be self-sufficient. So Xi Jinping, I think, is really looking at what's happening in the U.S. and saying, this is a great opportunity for us.

challenging the U.S. in every realm. We're talking a lot about infrastructure, which is important, but they want to challenge the U.S. in everything, the top universities, the top AI, our own semiconductors. They want to be self-sufficient. So Xi Jinping, I think, is really looking at what's happening in the U.S. and saying, this is a great opportunity for us.

The decline may come faster because it seems that they're tearing apart the country and the government is not sure. what they're doing so i think it's emboldening actually china uh right now which is sad to see and i i've spent a lot of time with people who are in government or formerly in government and you really want the us to have the best capabilities i can tell you when i was Thank you.

The decline may come faster because it seems that they're tearing apart the country and the government is not sure. what they're doing so i think it's emboldening actually china uh right now which is sad to see and i i've spent a lot of time with people who are in government or formerly in government and you really want the us to have the best capabilities i can tell you when i was Thank you.