David Boree

So Ziz becomes a vegan at a fairly young age. Her family are not vegans, and she's obsessed with the concept of animal sentience, right? Of the fact that like animals are thinking and feeling beings just like human beings.

So Ziz becomes a vegan at a fairly young age. Her family are not vegans, and she's obsessed with the concept of animal sentience, right? Of the fact that like animals are thinking and feeling beings just like human beings.

And a lot of this is based in her interest in kind of foundational rationalist – a lot of this is based in her interest of a foundational rationalist and EA figure, a guy named Brian Tomasek. Brian is a writer and a software engineer as well as an animal rights activist. And as a thinker, he's what you'd call a long-termist, right, which is – pretty tied to the EA guys.

And a lot of this is based in her interest in kind of foundational rationalist – a lot of this is based in her interest of a foundational rationalist and EA figure, a guy named Brian Tomasek. Brian is a writer and a software engineer as well as an animal rights activist. And as a thinker, he's what you'd call a long-termist, right, which is – pretty tied to the EA guys.

And a lot of this is based in her interest in kind of foundational rationalist – a lot of this is based in her interest of a foundational rationalist and EA figure, a guy named Brian Tomasek. Brian is a writer and a software engineer as well as an animal rights activist. And as a thinker, he's what you'd call a long-termist, right, which is – pretty tied to the EA guys.

These are all the same people using different words to describe the aspects of what they believe. His organization is the Center on Long-Term Risk, which is a think tank he establishes that's at the ground floor of these effective altruism discussions. The goal for the Center of Long-Term Risk is to find ways to reduce suffering on a long timeline.

These are all the same people using different words to describe the aspects of what they believe. His organization is the Center on Long-Term Risk, which is a think tank he establishes that's at the ground floor of these effective altruism discussions. The goal for the Center of Long-Term Risk is to find ways to reduce suffering on a long timeline.

These are all the same people using different words to describe the aspects of what they believe. His organization is the Center on Long-Term Risk, which is a think tank he establishes that's at the ground floor of these effective altruism discussions. The goal for the Center of Long-Term Risk is to find ways to reduce suffering on a long timeline.

Tomasek is obsessed with the concept of suffering and specifically obsessed with suffering as a mathematical concept. So when I say to you, I want to end suffering, you probably think like, oh, you want to go help people who don't have access to clean water or who have worms and stuff that they're dealing with, have access to medicine. That's what normal people think of, right?

Tomasek is obsessed with the concept of suffering and specifically obsessed with suffering as a mathematical concept. So when I say to you, I want to end suffering, you probably think like, oh, you want to go help people who don't have access to clean water or who have worms and stuff that they're dealing with, have access to medicine. That's what normal people think of, right?

Tomasek is obsessed with the concept of suffering and specifically obsessed with suffering as a mathematical concept. So when I say to you, I want to end suffering, you probably think like, oh, you want to go help people who don't have access to clean water or who have worms and stuff that they're dealing with, have access to medicine. That's what normal people think of, right?

You know, maybe try to improve access to medical care, that sort of stuff. Thomas thinks of suffering as like a mass, like an aggregate mass that he wants to reduce in the long term through actions. Right. It's a numbers game to him, in other words. And his idea of ultimate good is to reduce and end the suffering of sentient life. Right.

You know, maybe try to improve access to medical care, that sort of stuff. Thomas thinks of suffering as like a mass, like an aggregate mass that he wants to reduce in the long term through actions. Right. It's a numbers game to him, in other words. And his idea of ultimate good is to reduce and end the suffering of sentient life. Right.

You know, maybe try to improve access to medical care, that sort of stuff. Thomas thinks of suffering as like a mass, like an aggregate mass that he wants to reduce in the long term through actions. Right. It's a numbers game to him, in other words. And his idea of ultimate good is to reduce and end the suffering of sentient life. Right.

Critical to his belief system, and the one that Ziz starts to develop, is the growing understanding that sentience is much more common than many people had previously assumed. Part of this comes from long-standing debates with their origins in Christian doctrine as to whether or not animals have souls or are basically machines with meat, right, that don't feel anything, right?

Critical to his belief system, and the one that Ziz starts to develop, is the growing understanding that sentience is much more common than many people had previously assumed. Part of this comes from long-standing debates with their origins in Christian doctrine as to whether or not animals have souls or are basically machines with meat, right, that don't feel anything, right?

Critical to his belief system, and the one that Ziz starts to develop, is the growing understanding that sentience is much more common than many people had previously assumed. Part of this comes from long-standing debates with their origins in Christian doctrine as to whether or not animals have souls or are basically machines with meat, right, that don't feel anything, right?

There's still a lot... of Christian evangelicals who feel that way today about like, at least the animals we eat, you know, like, well, they don't really think it's fine. God gave them to us. We can do whatever we want to them. And to be fair, um, this is an extremely common way for that.

There's still a lot... of Christian evangelicals who feel that way today about like, at least the animals we eat, you know, like, well, they don't really think it's fine. God gave them to us. We can do whatever we want to them. And to be fair, um, this is an extremely common way for that.

There's still a lot... of Christian evangelicals who feel that way today about like, at least the animals we eat, you know, like, well, they don't really think it's fine. God gave them to us. We can do whatever we want to them. And to be fair, um, this is an extremely common way for that.