Disturbed Podcast Narrator

Johnson was an accomplished mountaineer, arguably the most experienced in the group. She was the 82nd person and one of the first 20 women to become a Colorado 14er, a climbing title for someone who has summited all 50 peaks higher than 14,000 feet in Colorado. She had made it to the top of Kilimanjaro.

Maybe she wasn't ready to give up on Aconcagua and tried to ascend again after Zeller left her. If so, she could have suffered another fall. There's a fall theory for Cooper, too. Alfonso the Guide and another member of the team who retrieved Cooper's remains, Lauren McIntyre, both think that Cooper's injuries can be easily explained.

Maybe she wasn't ready to give up on Aconcagua and tried to ascend again after Zeller left her. If so, she could have suffered another fall. There's a fall theory for Cooper, too. Alfonso the Guide and another member of the team who retrieved Cooper's remains, Lauren McIntyre, both think that Cooper's injuries can be easily explained.

Maybe she wasn't ready to give up on Aconcagua and tried to ascend again after Zeller left her. If so, she could have suffered another fall. There's a fall theory for Cooper, too. Alfonso the Guide and another member of the team who retrieved Cooper's remains, Lauren McIntyre, both think that Cooper's injuries can be easily explained.

Cooper could have fallen onto the handle of his ice axe, which caused the deep wound in his abdomen. Then he could have fallen again and hit his head. Zeller told reporters that maybe Johnson and Cooper were experiencing the same kind of hallucinations he was, that could have made them do something irrational, like wander off the trail or descend at a dangerous pace.

Cooper could have fallen onto the handle of his ice axe, which caused the deep wound in his abdomen. Then he could have fallen again and hit his head. Zeller told reporters that maybe Johnson and Cooper were experiencing the same kind of hallucinations he was, that could have made them do something irrational, like wander off the trail or descend at a dangerous pace.

Cooper could have fallen onto the handle of his ice axe, which caused the deep wound in his abdomen. Then he could have fallen again and hit his head. Zeller told reporters that maybe Johnson and Cooper were experiencing the same kind of hallucinations he was, that could have made them do something irrational, like wander off the trail or descend at a dangerous pace.

But there have been years of speculation about foul play for a reason. Lots of details just don't line up with falling accidents. We're going to focus on mountain conditions and the state of the bodies. According to a climber familiar with Aconcagua, photos of the expedition showed that the snow was soft, not slippery.

But there have been years of speculation about foul play for a reason. Lots of details just don't line up with falling accidents. We're going to focus on mountain conditions and the state of the bodies. According to a climber familiar with Aconcagua, photos of the expedition showed that the snow was soft, not slippery.

But there have been years of speculation about foul play for a reason. Lots of details just don't line up with falling accidents. We're going to focus on mountain conditions and the state of the bodies. According to a climber familiar with Aconcagua, photos of the expedition showed that the snow was soft, not slippery.

Plus, the area where Cooper and Johnson were found was relatively flat, not steep. He thinks a fall in that area, especially a fatal one, is unlikely, if not impossible. Now, you could argue that conditions are irrelevant when we're talking about people who might be uncoordinated and dizzy from exhaustion and the altitude, but Cooper and Johnson's bodies don't look like they sustain falls.

Plus, the area where Cooper and Johnson were found was relatively flat, not steep. He thinks a fall in that area, especially a fatal one, is unlikely, if not impossible. Now, you could argue that conditions are irrelevant when we're talking about people who might be uncoordinated and dizzy from exhaustion and the altitude, but Cooper and Johnson's bodies don't look like they sustain falls.

Plus, the area where Cooper and Johnson were found was relatively flat, not steep. He thinks a fall in that area, especially a fatal one, is unlikely, if not impossible. Now, you could argue that conditions are irrelevant when we're talking about people who might be uncoordinated and dizzy from exhaustion and the altitude, but Cooper and Johnson's bodies don't look like they sustain falls.

There's the state of their clothes, Cooper's in particular. Zeller remembered that nothing Cooper was wearing was roughed up. It didn't look like it had been dragged down a mountain. That's why he assumed Cooper froze to death. The weathering on Johnson's clothes is less definitive since those spent three years in the elements before investigators got a look at them.

There's the state of their clothes, Cooper's in particular. Zeller remembered that nothing Cooper was wearing was roughed up. It didn't look like it had been dragged down a mountain. That's why he assumed Cooper froze to death. The weathering on Johnson's clothes is less definitive since those spent three years in the elements before investigators got a look at them.

There's the state of their clothes, Cooper's in particular. Zeller remembered that nothing Cooper was wearing was roughed up. It didn't look like it had been dragged down a mountain. That's why he assumed Cooper froze to death. The weathering on Johnson's clothes is less definitive since those spent three years in the elements before investigators got a look at them.

But remember, Johnson did have that rock on her face. It's hard to explain how it could have ended up there naturally when there are no other rocks in the area. Plus, one of her boots was sliced open. And as best we can tell, those cuts didn't seem like ragged rips from dragging over a sharp rock, but more like the clean cuts from an axe.

But remember, Johnson did have that rock on her face. It's hard to explain how it could have ended up there naturally when there are no other rocks in the area. Plus, one of her boots was sliced open. And as best we can tell, those cuts didn't seem like ragged rips from dragging over a sharp rock, but more like the clean cuts from an axe.

But remember, Johnson did have that rock on her face. It's hard to explain how it could have ended up there naturally when there are no other rocks in the area. Plus, one of her boots was sliced open. And as best we can tell, those cuts didn't seem like ragged rips from dragging over a sharp rock, but more like the clean cuts from an axe.

There's also the specific trauma to Johnson and Cooper's faces and heads. Many experienced climbers familiar with the results of tumbling down a mountain just don't think that's what caused the injuries Cooper and Johnson suffered. Typically, there are broken bones and scrapes, bumps and bruises all over the body. Cooper and Johnson just had head injuries, no other abrasions.