Dr. Aaron Kheriaty
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us, really, and we're sort of disconnected from these primary affects. Tia, I want to ask you in your construct of the sort of pseudo, you know, the narcissistic shell you were talking about, Part of the problem, though, with getting people to understand that is a really significant disconnect from their primary affects.
So when we talk about we want sincere speech, which I totally agree with you, and I know what you mean by that. A lot of people don't even know what you mean by that. We could say speaking from the heart. We could say all kinds of sort of things. A lot of people that have a narcissistic shell are really disconnected from their primary spontaneous affects.
Now, you mentioned the propagandized masses. I want to drill on that a little bit. And forgive me, Aaron, I want to ask this of Matthias again, which is that you have theorized that about 20% of people get swept into these mass formations and the propaganda. 70% just want to be left alone to live their lives. And 10% throw the bullshit flag like the three of us. What the hell is going on here?
How do we get people to understand? This is kind of a different take on this topic because it seems to me a lot of the people with the residual aggression, a lot of the people I see celebrating the killer were in that 20% that got completely swept into violence. COVID and masking and distancing and all these things.
And how do we get them to have insight, to understand their liabilities so they don't get swept into these mass formations? I've been saying lately, if you're the person reporting your neighbor for having a party in 2020 because they were going to cause a mass outbreak, You would be a prison guard in Nazi Germany. You would not fight Hitler. You would be in the mass formation.
And of course, people never allow you to say that to them. How do we get them to understand what they're... Oh, Taylor Lorenz is a good example of this. Caleb put up Taylor Lorenz. who expressed joy at the, literally joy at the murder. And I thought, oh, she is a prison guard. She would be right in there with Goebbels and everybody. And she doesn't understand that. She thinks I'm a good person.
I'm part of the side of right.
It feels like Rumble and X are two platforms where you've been able to fight that back a little bit, and we should celebrate them because they've made a big difference. So we can stop this just short of the reign of terror, Aaron. Sounds a little dicey, but good. You know, it's funny.
I'm going to let you comment on what Mattia said, and I'm going to throw a little something more into the mix here. I was very preoccupied for some reason before COVID. I got very preoccupied with... changing people's minds. I was aware that something was going on, that people were getting weird in terms of their belief systems.
And I kept thinking to myself, how would I change a flat earther's point of view? There was a podcast around called You Are Not So Smart, where he too was just looking at and analyzing all these different theories about changing of minds. And the one thing, you know, he said exactly what Mattia said. You can't change their minds.
In fact, if you change them in one area, they may double down on another. But the goal becomes changing their worldview. They have to be able to look at the world a little differently. I think... Did Matias say something exactly like that? No, but in line with the mass formation, that's what you said.
The information has to be in line with the mass formation, but what can be out of line is if you not the information about the mass formation, but how do you feel about the world right now? And can we change that? Aaron, you go ahead.
I thought about going after Keith Oberman today, by the way, because I always liked Keith Oberman personally. And it's bizarre to me that he's attacking me. So I thought I might troll him and see what the crowd does, see what the mob does.
And that was the, I gotta tell you, that was the, that was the part that I found most challenging during the, the darker hours of the international mass formation, which was which side am I on the right side? Am I on the wrong side? Am I in the 20% or the 10%? I, it's hard to tell when it's underway because,
That's the Socratic method, that's the scientific method. And Matthias, I have been aware that irrational certitude has been afoot for quite some time. Is that part of this?
So we've finally gotten there. The answer is the pumpkin. Offer a pumpkin to your neighbor. And this is, we're finally, we got it. We're there. So, Matias, listen, I want to get an update from Aaron on his legal action. And I know it's like nine or God knows 10 o'clock at night where you are. You've been very, very generous with your time. And I appreciate you being here with us.
I think this has been very enlightening. I just love that we were able to walk through this. I really feel like we got kind of an encyclopedic survey of the scene here. I would suggest everybody do read The Psychology of Totalitarianism to really cement, there it is, cement this in your mind. Use it as a reference.
Everything we've talked about today is there, except the pumpkin part, which is what we arrived at. We've solved that one today. But Susan, anything before I let Dr. Desmet go? I like the pumpkin. Okay, good. I'm glad you like the pumpkin. Matias, I look forward to seeing you again soon. Pleasure.
If you're in this country, if you're in this coast particularly, the two of you together, I hope you'll tour around and advocate on behalf of this solution because I hope people understand what we're talking about. To me, it's crystal clear, and you guys lay it out with great clarity.
Well, I bet he would love this conversation, actually. And he might have some interesting sort of anthropological kinds of ideas about how this has been around and how to actualize it. So, all right, Matias, thank you so much. I'm going to talk to Aaron for a few more minutes and we'll hope to see you again very soon.
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