Dr. Amie Hornaman
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The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Well, I love the blending of both worlds because I think the biohackers, they're missing out on that deep and experiential, just like you said, anecdotal experiential knowledge that someone like yourself who's been in the trenches and dealing with these bros experimenting on themselves and experimenting on yourself as well. I'm guilty of that too.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
of bringing that kind of knowledge into now the modern day biohacking space where, again, like I said in the beginning, you might find a soccer mom that's like, I just want to freaking lose these extra 20 pounds that I put on. Thanks, kids. Right. Or or the the man that realizes his testosterone is declining. His sex life is gone. to the shitter, and he's losing that strong body that he once had.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
It's all kind of deflating, but he doesn't want that. So I think bringing your knowledge and bringing that world into and meshing it with the biohacking world is a natural evolution that needs to happen.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yep. I do the same thing. Yep. Totally, totally respect that. Totally respect that.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
You know, I love it. I love it. You know, I got to bring you back to peptides now. I feel like I'm trying to keep Trump on track. Right. I got to weave. Yeah. You're weaving too much. I got to bring you back. So, okay. Peptides. Now you mentioned some, the growth hormone releasing peptides and the growth. Well, okay, wait, this is the question for you. There's GHRP.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So that's growth hormone releasing peptide. Then what is ipamirelin and CJC? They're in a different category, even though they all deal with growth hormone. which I guess we should probably explain that your growth hormone is what and starts declining after the age of what and why do we even care about growth hormone peptides?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
First of all, he's a world-renowned NASM certified personal trainer. He's a fitness nutrition expert. He's a weight loss expert. And he has a huge YouTube and Instagram channel where he goes deep and he discusses the worlds of SARMs and steroids. And if you don't know what that is, we're going to get into that. What is a SARM, Amy? We're going to dive deep into this.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Really four weeks later, you might see a difference. Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Well, and even insulin resistance. And I was going to ask you about the downsides of each, which I want you to speak on. But my understanding too, is that straight human growth hormone, if you can obtain it, if you can afford it, if it's even real.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
will potentially increase any cancer cells that might be in your body, but let's say they're dormant and you start using HGH and it could kick up cancer cells. Now, when I used HGH back in my 20s for competing, I really didn't care about cancer. I'm like, I'm invincible. I'm in my 20s. Right. But now it's a real, it's a, it's a thought.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Anabolic steroids, they really did get a bad rap in the fitness industry. They really did. And to some extent, have they been used and abused? Absolutely. But what about things like Anabar or Oxandrolone that we now prescribe to our patients, to our women, to our women in their 50s, 60s, and 70s to hold on to their muscle?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I mean, at the age of 50, you start thinking like, oh my God, you know, is this something that I need to worry about? I'm kind of on the anti-cancer prevention train. So if, if it, even if I had HGH versus a GHRP2 or ipamorelin CJC, which one would you choose for, let's say a 50 year old?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
i'm your host dr amy thyroid and hormone specialist and ceo of a global telemedicine practice where we prescribe the right thyroid treatment and bioidentical hormones to all 50 states and most of canada helping you become that badass human that you're meant to be so if you're battling weight gain and hair loss you can't lose weight no matter what you do your energy levels are plummeting and your libido left town
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's very cool. So for, let's bring it to the audience. So for your 40, 50, 60 year old woman that, yeah, she's addressing thyroid, she's addressing hormones, but damn, she's still, you know, she's doing the testosterone, but she's just not seeing that muscle growth. And this is literally what I hear from my community. Like, I'm still not seeing that, that muscle growth.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So that's just one example of how the underground world has come to the surface and now common we'll say protocols that bodybuilders use, that the fitness industry used are now being used in soccer moms, in dudes that are aging and their muscles are starting to disappear along with their sagging skin and inability to perform sexually.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And you She's not talking about becoming a bodybuilder. She just wants to see that shape, just that little bit of shapeliness and a little bit more strength in the gym, better workouts, less body fat. Obviously, yeah, an improvement in skin. What would you recommend for that in that growth hormone category?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
We like that. We're good with that.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Okay. Beautiful. All right, so moving on from the growth hormone peptides, where else would you go in the peptide space?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
All of these situations, all of these conditions or just aging in general can actually be helped by through the use of peptides, SARMs. and even some anabolic steroids when used properly. So Dylan and I just get really real. Bottom line is we get really, really real.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's just great for everything. I use that after any surgery I've ever had. And the healing time is dramatically reduced. I mean, you heal so quickly. Oh, I have a story on that. I'll tell you.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So I this is last year. I went to a conference. And I'm at the conference and I don't even know how much I believe in like energetics. I do. I'm halfway into the woo and halfway out of the woo. And this woman's like, you know, I'm going to run this energetic program on you and really help your back because my back was tight from traveling. Well, it did the opposite. My back locked down like shit.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I was better off before she even did anything, right? So I got the negative energetics from her. My back was killing me. Dylan, I don't even know to this day what made me pack BPC 157. I don't take my peptides with me. So I don't even know why. But I went back to the room like, oh, my God, I have I have BPC.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I loaded the entire syringe because as you can attest to some peptides, you you can't really overdo it. Even if you take the whole damn thing, nothing's going to happen to you. Or maybe you get like a little bit nauseous or whatever, depending on the peptide. I loaded the syringe. I reached around in the mirror, jammed that into my back.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I know I could have done it in my stomach too, but I'm like, I want this to get as close to the problem as possible. And I kid you not, in a few hours, my pain was gone and I was back to normal. So I'm a firm believer in BPC-157.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Oh, okay. Well, you have to get into what SARMs are too.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So if you want to have your mind explode, if you want to learn things that you can actually do and use on yourself that may be out of the box, unconventional, if you want to just be entertained, then keep listening. It's a long one. Because it was really that good. Dylan, welcome to the show.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Well, if you're already on testosterone though, does it matter? No, you might just might bump your dose a little bit.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Will it drop your blood sugar or will it raise blood sugar?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
You just don't.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
It's just the reality. Well, here's the thing. OK, on that note, the reality is that in the country that we live in and for now, the FDA has a pretty strong lockdown on things now. Yes.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
With the new administration and with RFK already posting that we need to bring back peptides and bring back all these healing modalities that, yeah, big pharma might lose some money on, but they're very helpful for people. We might see a change. I'm really hopeful and I believe that we will.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
This is going to be something a little bit different for my audience because we're talking about things that, quite frankly, we really haven't laid out on the show yet in 470-some episodes. And as you and I were talking off air, I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't brought this knowledge, brought your knowledge to my audience yet because...
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
But the reality is in this day and age, sometimes to get things that actually work, you do have to go underground. Just the same as if I if I get cancer, I'm going to Mexico, South America or Europe because I'm not going to get a cure here, even though we know that there are cures for cancer out there. Right. So I know big, bold statement. Don't shut me down, Google. But right.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
for God's sake, freedom of speech is coming back too. So don't shut me down. But no, I mean, the reality is sometimes you do have to go underground. And I think educating people as to where they can go and trust where they're going. Just like I tell my audience, listen, I get my peptides from research only websites because it's easy. They're cheaper. And there are a few that I actually do trust.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So why would I pay three times the amount to have them prescribed from a compounding pharmacy when I know I can get them over here? Yeah. And, and save some money.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And I just want to say real quick that the listeners just got a diamond given to them right now. Because number one, I didn't even know about those two. So I'm going to text you afterwards and write those down. And number two, yeah, the fact that you are comfortable
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
of my background i mean i was in the bodybuilding space i love peptides i love all this underground that i think shouldn't stay underground it shouldn't stay with the bodybuilding community and be nothing but bro science it should come to the forefront and be available for all biohackers all women all men i don't care if you're a soccer mom or if you're a 50 year old dude just
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yep. Pay to play. Absolutely.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Well, that applies to supplements, too. I mean, this is like pretty much across the board. And that applies to influencers. Your point when you when you go on someone's site and it's like Fox, NBC, The Today Show, like all they are a little logos. I don't see any videos of you on The Today Show. Ever, like anywhere. So yeah, to your point, it's pretty much across the board scamming.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
trying to maintain your health and longevity and your sex appeal. This should be knowledge that is used and known and given to everyone. So I'm really pumped up about this conversation, about this episode, because this is totally different. If you're just tuning in, this is totally different than anything I've talked about yet on the show. So this is going to be fun.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Exactly. I love it. That's a great tip, too. That's another gem. You just gave him like an emerald. So there you go.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
You are. You are. We all appreciate it.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah. Now American people have spoken. We, we, we like freedom of speech. We like that part of the constitution. We want to keep it.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
That's a different conversation. So, OK, you mentioned the word SARMs. Yeah. So can you get into what that is? And yeah, just kind of roll from there.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So, you know, there's so much that we can talk about, but let's start with the known and we'll kind of make our way to the unknown.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Now, is this what Lance Armstrong used or is that totally different?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yes. I think I did try that in the past because I heard that it was for improving your insulin resistance and weight as well. Correct? Yes. A hundred percent.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
You know, they hear me talk about peptides. I mean, honestly, unless you're living under a rock, you've heard the term peptides. And if you're like, wait, what? Okay, GLPs. Remember, we talk about semaglutide, triseptide, ozempic, manjaro, trulicity. Those are peptides. So if you didn't know that, you know that now.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And this is a liquid that you take in your mouth under the tongue, correct? I mean, that's the only way that I've ever used this arm or is it injectable?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Right.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
OK, so women can use a SARM. So even though it says selective androgen, which when you say the word androgen, we think men, we think male testosterone. Now, listen, I'll caveat this with. I always talk about the importance of testosterone for women. It's our get shit done hormone. Men and women need testosterone. But when you say selective androgen, I think, oh, are SARMs just for guys?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So when we're talking about peptides, I'm going to hand it over to you to really kind of describe what a peptide is, and then we can go into the known and the unknown in the peptide world. But I think most people at least know, even if they haven't tried it, about peptides in the biohacking space. So what are they?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
No, that's okay. I'm going to, I'm going to jump on that wagon real quick though. Where do you like to see a man's let's say estradiol number?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
OK, that's where I'm at. Yep.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Oh, yeah. Seriously. Yeah, you can't even go by the reference ranges at all. What the fuck? Yeah. Now for women, I mean, they don't even, I tell my ladies where I want you to start for optimization is, isn't even in the reference range. You'll get flagged high at the bare bone, minimal number where you should be.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So I like my women 50 or above when it comes to total testosterone, most labs go up to a 48.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
50 or above. And then you'll always have those women that are like, Don't you dare drop my testosterone lower than 150. You know, that's where I like it. I'm like, okay, that's fine. As long as you're not growing a beard or a Clotinas, we're good. But I thank Karen Martell for that term. It's just a beautiful representation of what happens. So, but for men, now I'm going to flip this on you.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
For men, I always say, I wouldn't even let my 76 year old dad be below an 800 for his testosterone. Where do you like to see dudes? Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Welcome to the Thyroid Fixer podcast, where we dive deep into the world of thyroid and hormones, especially for you ladies navigating perimenopause and menopause, and really for anyone struggling with hypothyroidism.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Now, what's the effect on the prostate? Can you get more into that? Because you mentioned that earlier. You know what?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I see it. I totally see it. So with OK, since we're on the testosterone bandwagon, yes, important for women, for men. We know that there are different esters of testosterone. Yeah. Cipionate is the one that we normally use for women. And then there's propionate and then they I'm sure there's more. Those are the top three that I know are.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
How do you choose what to use in terms of the ester of the testosterone?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Then you're in the right place and you have found your tribe. Remember, I want you to embrace every inch of that badass woman that you truly are. So if you're ready to dive in and fix things, let's get started. You know, I couldn't decide on a title for this podcast. It was, I was tossing around the ideas of bringing the underground above ground. What would entice you to listen?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I never, ever have an argument with them. or intramuscular intramuscular okay well but wait no and wait you you can you know you certainly can do you because my ladies like to use the little insulin needle and personally i don't know like when it comes i can i will experiment on myself with anything but man when it comes it's to jamming a big-ass needle into my thigh.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I can't even do a B12 shot that way. I just get the heebie-jeebies. So is there a problem with, and I'll tell you what I've always heard, and this is why I dose myself and my patients this way, that for women, if we do test cipionate subcutaneous into fat, it kind of like holds in the fat and it gets more slowly released into the system through that week? Am I onto something there? Am I totally?
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
It's going to hurt. It's so scary. Even the 25 gauge is scary for the listeners that don't know. So if you're my patient, you get this because you've been there, done that. But for listeners who don't know, and it took me a while to grasp the concept to the smaller the number, the gauge of the needle, the bigger it is.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So when you're talking about like peptides, we're using an insulin needle that it's, it's like a 30, 31 gauge and it's really teeny tiny and it's not scary at all. And you barely even feel it. But as you go down in those numbers, the, the needle itself gets bigger.
The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Maybe you didn't change the needle. Yeah.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Now, is there any benefit for women multi-dosing through the week? So for men, yeah. Like if we took a 200 milligram dose of testosterone cipionate and we break it up, like you said, twice a week, okay, 100, 100. And that keeps a more steady pattern of a pulse, more steady pulse of the testosterone. But if a woman is doing, let's say, 10 milligrams a week.
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Is there any benefit of breaking it into five and five or not really?
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Yep. I love it. I love it. So I want to move from here into Anovar or Oxandrolone. Yeah. I personally want to pick your brain on it. I spoke about this on Ben Greenfield's podcast because I'm very passionate about it. I love that it's been brought back into the medical community. I love that we can use it on women, on people, on women that don't tolerate testosterone.
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So I have so much in my mind to pick your brain with. So I guess let's lay the groundwork for Oxandrolone slash Anabar.
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So why is that? Is that just because those first seven to ten maybe scientists were like, hey, this is really cool shit. Let's make more. Or how did how did the more evolved?
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Well, that's what I wanted to get into because, all right, well, I guess let's back up the history of, so the history of Anabar or the, I don't think they can even use the term Anabar anymore. It's just Oxandrolone because you can only get it from compounding pharmacies, literally Pfizer or one of the big, big pharma companies used to make it.
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for muscle wasting for AIDS patients, just like you mentioned about SARMs. They made it to protect muscle and protect against sarcopenia. So it really, I mean, it came to market with a purpose. And through the years, just like bodybuilders do, we start experimenting and we go, hey, wait a minute. This actually helps a little bit with muscle and strength gain.
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But you are correct on in that, you know, back in my day, when I was competing, women were using it for cutting. And yeah, I mean, okay, you could argue if I'm increasing muscle and increasing strength, naturally I'll lose more fat because maybe my workouts are better and muscle is more metabolically active anyways, but it's not specifically for cutting.
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fat loss and it does have some effect on testosterone correct even though it's not a testosterone uh product it's not a it's not a hormone like testosterone sipionate is
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Now, what do you think about this, though? So women who there are certain women out there. I mean, I could give them a drop of testosterone and they're reacting. They're breaking out. They're growing a beard. The whole deal. I can't I can't even. Is this because I've used it, but I want your opinion on it. Is this a good alternative for those women who their poor testosterone is in the toilet?
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They're losing libido. They're losing strength. They're they're losing their muscle mass. They can't put on muscle to save their life. Would cycling oxandrolone be a good alternative?
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Yeah, exactly. I love it. All right. We got to round out. We have about 10 more minutes before I have a hard stop, but I got to pick your brain on the GLPs because you and I talked about it a little bit beforehand. So I want your opinion on the GLPs, misuse of and microdosing.
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But that's not out yet in... Just to clarify for the listeners, that's... Retrutatide is not out in compounding pharmacies or for prescription. It is only on the research-based websites only.
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I like it. No, when you get fired up, you sound like me. So I love it. But no, I'm with you. And Ozemic Face is real. The mean muscle loss is real. I've shared with my audience time and again that when Manjaro first came out, and this is what we do, we experiment. I'm like, Oh yeah. Let me see what it does. Right. Part of it is I experiment on myself for all y'all. I do it to me.
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I do it to myself so I can report back and tell you here's what's going on and here's what it does. Well, I was on this thing. And then the Peter Atiyah article comes out that, Hey, uh, turns out we're seeing some lean muscle loss with these GLPs. And at first I read it. I was like, Nah, that's that's overrated. That's not true.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And I kid you not, weeks later, I had like my mother's arms where I saw I saw loose skin. I'm like, I lost muscle. Oh, my God. So, yeah, that is real. And the beauty of and what is that phrase? It's that the cure or the poison is in the dose.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
So literally you could use a microdose, not have any appetite loss, no nausea, no heartburn, no ozempic phase, nothing, not even realize you're on it, but yet it's working beneath the surface to just keep your metabolism up a little bit. And then you get that neurocognitive protection and you get the liver protection and you get all those benefits without the side effects.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
As soon as you move into side effects, right? That's a huge red flag to your body and you don't power through it. You know, you don't say, well, I lost my appetite for three days and then I'm okay. No, that is a red flag that you are on the incorrect dose and you will pay the price of that eventually.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at with it too. It's just, you know, I heard Jay talk about it. He raves about it, but I haven't tried it yet and I haven't had anyone try it yet. So we'll see, we'll see what comes down the pipeline, but oh my God, Dylan, this has been amazing. This has been absolutely amazing. This has been, oh my gosh, probably one of the best discussions I've had in a long time.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And it's just real. It's just, I love being real with people. So can you tell people where they can find you, follow you, reach out to you for help?
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Love it. Love it. We'll put that all in the show notes. So I so appreciate your time today and your brain dump. I love it.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
We'll do more. We will definitely do more. Oh yeah.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And they were all, those are all surrounding growth hormone, right? Yes. Yeah.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Because this episode is actually very important, very insightful, very explicit. So, you know, if F-bombs offend you, you can't listen to this one. You can't listen to LRoss. But if you're open-minded and you actually want to learn about the underground world of bodybuilding and what was used or what is used, what was used because I was in that world, and how it can be applied today.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Oh, no doubt. But I will jump in here. I always say that bodybuilders are the OGs of biohacking because we, I put myself in that category back in the day, we tried stuff on ourselves that are like just now it's popular. I remember trying GHRP2 and GHRP6 Probably right around that time, like 2011, 12, something around there.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And, you know, it was one of those things that it worked in the beginning. But I actually experimented with real HGH back in the day. And I want to pick your brain about that, too. But really, I mean, I think even though the bodybuilders are just using it to get big and shredded. they paved the way for common folk to now expand their mind.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
And basically that's what this whole conversation is that, okay, it doesn't have to stay underground. It doesn't have to stay in the gym. We can actually use these things for health, longevity, performance, appearance, all of it.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Yeah.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
That's a good point.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
I like it. Yeah.
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EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman
Because as I always say, bodybuilders are the OGs of biohacking. And What we did to ourselves, what we experimented with on ourselves is what y'all are using now in the biohacking space. Peptides didn't start with Andrew Huberman. They started with bodybuilders way back in the day. So I wanted to dig into the mind of Dylan Gemelli because he is an expert in this world.