Dr. Caroline Leaf

It's very intuitive of you to have picked that up because it's something that we should be telling everyone.

And you're quite right, we should be teaching this in schools.

I did in South Africa.

I was huge teaching across the country there, teaching in schools, teaching this.

I've done a lot of work in this country, but it's a very different way of thinking.

So it takes time.

So I'm always grateful to talk about this anywhere to help try and expand this concept and get people thinking.

Okay, so that's the one thing.

So basically what's happened is that we were very good about exploring mind up until about 40, 50 years ago.

And you still got your philosophers of this day.

There's still a huge body of science, but it's been pushed aside by a dominant classical philosophy of reductionism, which basically means that we have become very advanced from the mid-90s with neuroscience.

The brain has taken over.

And it's great that we understand the brain.

It's led to the most phenomenal discoveries, but it's become at the expense of mind.

So everything became mind.

So instead of mind being separate, and it's forced the way I've described it, the brain has become it.

And they talk about mind being almost like a mistake, a byproduct of brain.

So they talk about brain producing mind.

And that then leads to this concept of

You're not a human with a story.