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Dr. David Gwynn

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The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It was set up originally in the East, probably in Nicomedia,

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It was taken from Nicomedia, where it was under the Tetrarchy, to Constantinople.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

At some point after Constantinople's foundation, it can't have begun in Constantinople because that city had not been refounded in the Tetrarchy's time.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But that is where the Crusaders in 1204 found it and took it westward.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

We're as certain of that as we can be, not least because there's a foot missing from the statue that's in Venice, and the foot turned up when they were building the Istanbul Underground.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

No way.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

So we're pretty sure about the origins of this statue group.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

They believe so.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It certainly would fit with the rest of the statue group.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But of course, what's the real significance of this?

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

This is a group of four statues.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

They're two pairs, each embracing the other.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

They're dressed identically in military equipment.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

These are soldier emperors.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But the four figures aren't actually totally identical because two of them have stubble.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Now, that's a Roman iconographic motif for seniority.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

And basically, the two who have their arms around the outside of the others are the two seniors.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

So there is that slight distinction, but otherwise, these people are identical.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It's a challenging topic with Diocletian.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Most of what we've got in the material culture is using traditional imagery.