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Dr. Karen Guzzo

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Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

And that's how they figure out what kids and how to have kids and spacing and all sorts of things and parenting. Except there was a profile of them a few years ago where Malcolm sort of swatted his child. in front of the reporter, and the reporter was sort of aghast at it.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

And he said that his wife saw it on like a nature documentary, that this is what a lioness was doing to her cubs, and they thought that was good. Tigers. It was tigers. Yes, there you go. So I'm thinking to myself – Wow, data-driven. I'm like, well, as a family sociologist and demographer, I can tell you there's a whole lot of research on corporal punishment and child outcomes and well-being.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

And he said that his wife saw it on like a nature documentary, that this is what a lioness was doing to her cubs, and they thought that was good. Tigers. It was tigers. Yes, there you go. So I'm thinking to myself – Wow, data-driven. I'm like, well, as a family sociologist and demographer, I can tell you there's a whole lot of research on corporal punishment and child outcomes and well-being.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

And he said that his wife saw it on like a nature documentary, that this is what a lioness was doing to her cubs, and they thought that was good. Tigers. It was tigers. Yes, there you go. So I'm thinking to myself – Wow, data-driven. I'm like, well, as a family sociologist and demographer, I can tell you there's a whole lot of research on corporal punishment and child outcomes and well-being.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So that data was, I think, inconvenient. So they are data-driven when it's convenient and not data-driven when it doesn't fit their brand.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So that data was, I think, inconvenient. So they are data-driven when it's convenient and not data-driven when it doesn't fit their brand.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So that data was, I think, inconvenient. So they are data-driven when it's convenient and not data-driven when it doesn't fit their brand.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

Sure. So we've talked about the Collins and they sort of fit into this tech world where sort of, you know, they want to use the best technology available to have the best and brightest children and make sure their children, you know, have the best possible chances in life and sort of maximize their own fertility. And then you have sort of the more religious groups who would not

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

Sure. So we've talked about the Collins and they sort of fit into this tech world where sort of, you know, they want to use the best technology available to have the best and brightest children and make sure their children, you know, have the best possible chances in life and sort of maximize their own fertility. And then you have sort of the more religious groups who would not

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

Sure. So we've talked about the Collins and they sort of fit into this tech world where sort of, you know, they want to use the best technology available to have the best and brightest children and make sure their children, you know, have the best possible chances in life and sort of maximize their own fertility. And then you have sort of the more religious groups who would not

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

want to use technology who would be against IVF because life begins at conception. And so destroying embryos is destroying human life. And they're really concerned about getting people married earlier and having them have births within marriage. And so they are not interested in raising necessarily teen birth rates unless they are Marital teen birth rates.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

want to use technology who would be against IVF because life begins at conception. And so destroying embryos is destroying human life. And they're really concerned about getting people married earlier and having them have births within marriage. And so they are not interested in raising necessarily teen birth rates unless they are Marital teen birth rates.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

want to use technology who would be against IVF because life begins at conception. And so destroying embryos is destroying human life. And they're really concerned about getting people married earlier and having them have births within marriage. And so they are not interested in raising necessarily teen birth rates unless they are Marital teen birth rates.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So they're really focused on the two parent family and really it needs to be married to and preferably Christian. And then you have sort of the more racist groups who are very concerned that somehow true Americans, and I say that with sort of quote marks, you know, True Americans are going to be outbred by immigrants. And so this is a longstanding idea.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So they're really focused on the two parent family and really it needs to be married to and preferably Christian. And then you have sort of the more racist groups who are very concerned that somehow true Americans, and I say that with sort of quote marks, you know, True Americans are going to be outbred by immigrants. And so this is a longstanding idea.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So they're really focused on the two parent family and really it needs to be married to and preferably Christian. And then you have sort of the more racist groups who are very concerned that somehow true Americans, and I say that with sort of quote marks, you know, True Americans are going to be outbred by immigrants. And so this is a longstanding idea.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So we've, of course, heard about it in the Great Replacement Theory. But this goes back 25 years. You know, Pat Buchanan wrote a book, The Death of the West, in 2001 about immigrants. Sort of the danger of immigrant populations coming out and have come to the United States and having more children than native born, true, real Americans, and that this was going to ruin our society.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So we've, of course, heard about it in the Great Replacement Theory. But this goes back 25 years. You know, Pat Buchanan wrote a book, The Death of the West, in 2001 about immigrants. Sort of the danger of immigrant populations coming out and have come to the United States and having more children than native born, true, real Americans, and that this was going to ruin our society.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So we've, of course, heard about it in the Great Replacement Theory. But this goes back 25 years. You know, Pat Buchanan wrote a book, The Death of the West, in 2001 about immigrants. Sort of the danger of immigrant populations coming out and have come to the United States and having more children than native born, true, real Americans, and that this was going to ruin our society.

Fresh Air
Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

So this is not a new idea. I would say they all have overlap. So you would think the Collins have been pretty clear that they don't necessarily care about race or ethnicity. Having said that, when you talk about having the best and brightest and using technology, you are really darn close to eugenics. We have done this in the United States before where we have sterilized poor women.