Dr. Randy Bock
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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I was awake for most of it. I'd never heard of Zika and with good reason because it's not a human illness. Hold on, hold on.
There might have been an uptick. The problem is nobody really knows. It could have been just, you know, it doesn't rain.
Well, there's two cases. Zika and microcephaly. Microcephaly has always been around. You know, basically, it's a good case. No, I get it.
And probably, it probably never deviated from the mean if you look at it grossly, as opposed to the people who happened to be in the war that one day. You know, basically, it's like being in a dry area, it rains three days in a row. What does that mean? It's the end of the world? No, it's just one of those random things. I can get a birdie.
Well, it was coincident. The women who, the neuropediatricians, Drs. Vanderlinde and Mota and Dr. Vanderlinde and her mother, were not looking for anything per se. They happened to notice that they had their own WhatsApp group locally for neuropediatricians, and they were noticing this, and then they started to do kind of a head count, so they were more observant.
But there was somebody from the earlier, in April 2015, group from the Chick-fil-A mission who happened to live in Recife.
and and was informed about this and said well zika is new to the americas this is happening that's new this is new a must be causing b and he went with that and this is the weird part this is the non-non-non-science part he got on the phone and called after the fact because there were no zika testing abilities on earth clinically
He went and took the telephone, and either he or his legion called up the moms of babies with microcephaly as if they didn't have enough problems. And so from the University Hospital, they're calling, did you happen to have any fever, rash, or chills during pregnancy? And 29 out of 32 numbers of close said yes.
Now, mind you, it's a tropical area, and pretty much everybody during pregnancy gets some fever, rash, or chills. So it's kind of a nonsensical question. And they took that as evidence that those baby cases were Zika. No testing at all. And rather than keep that under their hat and try to do some actual science and figure this stuff out, they announced it to the press. kind of grandstanding.
This is not how science is done. They didn't wait. There were, you know, institutions, so forth, public health groups that would have, you know, looked at this potentially and done perspective. And at the time they had no actual backward registry of microcephaly. So there's no way of knowing if they had more cases on average city by city because they'd never measured this before.
I don't know what an example would be, but, you know, you look at the stock market, what is it today? Oh my God, it's 3000, whatever. Well, what does that mean? What was it last year? What was it, five years ago?
This was not necessarily our press. Brazil has its own issues. And they had an impeached president at the time. It sounds familiar. Dilma Rousseff. And she used this to galvanize troops and galvanize popular opinion because they had kind of an enemy. So they put two and a half...
a quarter of a million troops on the streets and they did all this mosquito stuff and drained literally drained the swamp as far as they could um but but there was another aspect which is a little bit kind of ghoulish and macabre and as a result there have been you know uh kind of a diminishment in the birth rate in brazil what they did was um they left uh in brazil
has always been clamoring to tear down the abortion statutes. So there are a few states, mostly in previously or currently Catholic Latin America, that have constraints against abortion. So the left and NGOs associated and so forth, they put a lot of money in attention so they could overturn the abortion constraints in Latin America. So they went full force. court press on this.
And they went to the Supreme Court in Brazil and they went to all other kind of, you know, judicial actions and legislative so forth to get emergency injunctions for abortion. So they did not want the story to go away because everybody theoretically in the whole country could theoretically have had been bitten by mosquito. You never know. And theoretically have Zika. Nobody could test for it.
And theoretically, those cases could have microcephaly. You wouldn't know. There's no way of testing utero. You Anyway, so everybody had to have abortion all of a sudden. And this was the big push. And this is why it never went away, in my view. So the press kind of stuck on this case, even though there's very little science underneath it.
Well, I think you're touching on a reasonable point. I think there's kind of a social justice thread through a lot of this, harm reduction and whatnot. There's kind of the NGO world where people get power not by selling things. The shoe companies and the car companies, they actually have to produce a product. A lot of other people have to produce a theory.
and they get wealthy doing that and so the industries where you make money by making money uh are different from those where you have to kind of beg for it in order to beg for it you have to have a reasonable problem and people have to you know stay alert and alarmed and so forth and and then they have some kind of secondary gain that aligns with politics uh in my book uh overturning zika
I mentioned Rudolf Virchow. I'm sure you've heard of him. He was the 19th century German pathologist. And he was a physician as well, and probably a really good physician. But he, kind of in a Bernie Sanders mode or mood, he wanted medicine primarily to correct social injustices and social, whatever you want to call it in today's terms, you know, equity and whatnot.
and this uh is is part of where things went wrong with the zika story because the chick v the mission group they were hunting for a virus when there was not not one because they wanted it to be there and what happens is you get uh things perverted you get the wrong results when you go into science hoping for a result you wind up you know with something that's perverted and so there's all kinds of biases that happen the biases that happen all along the way because people wanted this
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