Dr. Robert Lustig

And cortisol and also insulin and insulin resistance. Exactly. And what we found was that weight didn't change that much. But in the mindfulness group, their belly fat went way down and their insulin levels went way down.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.

And number three. Liver fat. Liver fat. So how many pounds or kilos of liver fat do you have to accumulate before you get sick?

And number three. Liver fat. Liver fat. So how many pounds or kilos of liver fat do you have to accumulate before you get sick?

And number three. Liver fat. Liver fat. So how many pounds or kilos of liver fat do you have to accumulate before you get sick?

Half a kilo, one pound.

Half a kilo, one pound.

Half a kilo, one pound.

Now, can you measure one pound on the scale?