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Dustin Ballard

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TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I'll start today with some obscure music history.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So if you're a David Bowie fan, you may already know this.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

But the chorus of the song Starman was actually borrowed from a 1937 blues song by T-Bone Fletcher, which I'm going to play you a clip of.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

There's a star man waiting in the sky Now, I love Bowie's cover, but there's just something about a beat-up guitar and an old man singing straight from the soul that to me really gets to the emotion of the song.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And I think what's most interesting is that I just made up that entire story.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

It was actually 100% AI.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I apologize for lying, but there is a reason for it.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I'd like to start with a question.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

What is real music?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Now, this is a question that's come up with synthesizers, with sampling and hip-hop music, even with the phonograph when it first came out in the 1800s.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

People back then debated whether or not reproduced music was real music.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

John Philip Sousa, the Taylor Swift of his day, was not a fan.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

He said that phonographs were a substitute for human skill, intelligence and soul.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

They reduced the expression of music to a mathematical system.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

It almost sounds like he's talking about AI, doesn't it?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So is AI real music?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I believe that when it's in the hands of musicians, it can be.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

But first, let me give you some context for why I think that.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So I run a parody music social media channel called There I Ruined It.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

This is just a weird evening hobby of mine.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

My day job is as an advertising creative director.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

But the purpose of the channel is to ruin music, or as I say, to lovingly destroy your favorite songs.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And AI is one of the tools that I often use to do that.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So for example, here is my cover of the 50 Cent song, In Da Club, as performed by an AI version of country music legend Conway Twitty.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So how did I create that song?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

The band you heard is actually a real band.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

In fact, that's me playing the fiddle.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

There's just one extra step in the process where I ran my vocals, my impersonation of Conway Twitty, through a custom AI voice model trained on his voice.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So to give you another example, along with a peek behind the curtain, in this next clip, you'll hear my actual voice, followed by the post-AI version.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Now, the David Bowie blues song I played for you in the beginning, that was actually created in a totally different way.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

That was 100% AI from a text prompt, which to me is a little more unnerving.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

In fact, when I first generated that song, it kind of messed with my head a little, because I love old music, I perform music from that era, and to hear the pain in that man's voice

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

who never existed, something about that just felt a little wrong to me.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And that's why I lied to you guys up front.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I suspect that some of you may have enjoyed that song up until the point you found out it was AI.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And to me, that would imply that maybe there's more to music than the music.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So is music melody and rhythm and chords?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Or is music expression?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And to a listener, does it always matter?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

If I hear a song I love on the radio, am I going to stop everything and research how that song was created?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Maybe not.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

It gets even messier when you look at the range of ways that AI can be used to create music.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So for example, what if I used AI to help with some song lyrics?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Is that much different than, say, a rhyming dictionary?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

What if I used AI to create a new instrument sound that's never existed?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Is that much different than a synthesizer?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

What if I trained an AI model on my entire body of work, and it created a new song in my style?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Is that something I would put my name on?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Or what if I wanted to use different voices, like a guitarist can use different guitars?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Or am I just stuck with the voice that I happen to be born with?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So I have a coworker with a great baritone voice.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And he was very amused one day when I asked him if I could purchase his voice for a song that I was working on.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So I'll play you a clip of that.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So this is my singing through my coworker's voice.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And it's the song, Baby Got Back, but set to the tune of Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Thank you.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Thanks.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I did enjoy just looking across the faces of this esteemed audience as that song was playing.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I'll give you one more example.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So in this next clip, you'll hear a melody I made up on my violin, and then I asked AI to turn that into a dramatic movie score.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So all this to say there are a million ways to use AI.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

The term AI music doesn't really clarify anything.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And in fact, even our own lawmakers don't really seem to understand this.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So there was a recent US congressional hearing on AI music where they played my mashup of AI Johnny Cash singing the song Barbie Girl, to which Representative Matt Gaetz replied, robots should not be subject to free speech.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Now, for the record, I am not a robot, but I do think this illustrates some of the confusion around this topic, which kind of leaves musicians like myself to come up with our own guardrails for how to use AI, what's right and what's wrong.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And for me, it kind of comes down to three things.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

The first is, is it deceptive?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Could somebody believe this is actually real?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Next, is there artistic intent behind it?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So if you're one of these people that's mass producing AI songs, hundreds of songs, and uploading them to Spotify, your intent is probably not artistic.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And then finally, how does this affect the musicians?

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And oftentimes, the victims of the songs that I create actually end up sharing those same songs on social media.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So for example, here's a clip of Snoop Dogg reacting to a mashup I made called, The Bare Necessities Are Gin and Juice.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

So when I see people like Snoop and Ed Sheeran and Nicki Minaj and others sharing these things, to me it's hopefully an indication that, in my own weird way, I'm using these technologies to contribute something new to the world.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And I think at the end of the day, even with all of the many downsides of AI messing with our music, I think a lot of artists are discovering the same thing I did, which is there are ways to use AI that can actually increase creativity.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

I think we could see new songs, new sounds, new styles that maybe we can't even imagine today, much like it would have been hard for somebody like John Philip Sousa to have imagined this final monstrosity I'm going to play for you.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

And this goes out to all the Nickelback fans.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Thank you all so much.

TED Talks Daily
Is AI ruining music? | Dustin Ballard

Thank you.