Dwight Yoakam
Appearances
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And then when I was older, I became infatuated with maps. My dad decided, and he was a master mechanic, not an academic in any way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But he had been in the army. He had a half a career done, like 10 years right at. He was a sergeant in the army.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I came along, he used to blame me for getting out of the army, but I'd say, he goes, you know, I'd have been retired by now, he'd look at me, hadn't been, because he couldn't take my mother and myself to Korea, even though the war was still, it was still, you know, to this day, the Korean War is not officially over, it's a truce. That's why the DMZ up there is... So like mid-late 50s?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich bin 1956 geboren, also 57. Der aktuelle Krieg hat am Ende der 53. Ja. Anfang der 54. Du hörst ihn nicht so oft, er ist ein ziemlich blöder Mist. Oh, es war ein Schmerz. John Prine hat eine tolle Lieder genannt, die heißt Hello in There.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Du hast gehört, dass der Kerl auf der Bühne darüber gesprochen hat, dass wir verloren haben. Ich vergesse den Namen des Sohnes in der koreanischen Krieg. Wir wissen noch nicht, wofür. Ja, weil das war der Anfang von Kriegen, die keinen Sinn hatten. Ja, ja, ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He flattered me by using a song that I wrote called Read and Write Route 23 about the cultural exchange that happened post-World War II. It was happening before that, but really. When the coal mines began shutting down in southeast Kentucky, West Virginia, deep southern Virginia and western Virginia. And they were mined out a lot of places, though they didn't have work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Your mom comes from... Coal mining down the hills. I was born there. Oh yeah, generations back. I mean, hundreds of years. Lumber before that. Yeah. And my dad's side, actually my great-grandfather came out of Shenandoah Valley of Virginia into the Ohio Valley.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But that river valley spawned, you know, the Ohio River Valley next to the Mississippi and the Missouri, it's one of the largest rivers, you know, in North America. And it really spawned a lot of culture, you know, Cincinnati, the river towns that were there of industry and so forth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So, I was at church one day and this fellow who was also a Kentuckian, I used to say we ran out of gas and didn't make it to Detroit, where Iggy, who I'm sitting on, is from, the cats up in Detroit, there were all these transplanted You know, Hillbillies. And there was huge country music out of Detroit. And my original producer, Pete Anderson, came out of there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And his father had come from Western Kentucky because they would go look for jobs there. John Prine's family, he wrote Paradise about his family returning to their home place on the weekends in Western Kentucky because they had moved to Chicago looking for jobs. They had looked for work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I'm trying to think, well, recently Billy Strings came out of Michigan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But again, his legacy, the lineage, if you read Malcolm McDowell's great book, Outliers, he talks about this in a chapter, that they did a double-blind test at the University of Michigan. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja. And he talks in a chapter about the feuding culture in southeast Kentucky and where around the world that the feuding culture goes on, right? And it's usually where the topography or the geography is not conducive to agrarian culture, where it's herding culture. Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the Mediterranean Crescent, Greece. So you get clans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It may be a perimeter kind of probe to see if you're vulnerable to him coming and stealing your sheep that night. Territorial. Yeah, with taking what's yours.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Billy Strings comes out of southeast Kentucky, his stepdad. I mean, I heard that album and it was like... There's pure eastern Kentucky in this. And then I started reading about his background and how they'd moved back, I think, to Moorhead, Kentucky, that area, which is Route 23, which I was born on Pikeville, which is the furthest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I would have been retarded. I said, you'd have been in Vietnam. He goes, well, maybe. You had a lot of stripes. They're going to send you first. Anyway, I mean, it was all a bit of teasing. But then Columbus, which is south central Ohio. That's where you grew up? Yeah, principally, yeah. But I used to say we were taillight babies. So my mother... worked in, she was a key punch operator.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
She ended up running a data center for a manufacturing company that would fire parts up the road to Detroit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Supplying, yeah. Auto parts? Yeah, a large manufacturing factory. But she had worked her way up being a key punch operator, computer operator. 50s and 60s, right? Big old Univac things from a James Bond movie. And there was a guy that worked with her that went to our church, another Kentucky transplant.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because of the whole, this migratory kind of move that, and Billy Strings' family comes into Michigan out of that. I used to joke and say, we ran out of gas halfway to Detroit. We actually had some earlier family there that they would land, you know, the Charles and my mother's family. My aunt, So where does music start?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Die früheste Erinnerung, die ich habe, war, als ich mit meiner Tochter und meiner Mutter einen Rekordspieler singen durfte, zwischen ihnen auf einem kleinen Kühlschrank, singen zu Hank Laughlins Send Me the Pillars You Dream On. Das ist die erste musikalische Erinnerung, die ich habe. Und wir haben es literally zurückgeholfen, den Rekordspieler. Er war ein Splitterstereo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Die früheste, wie ein Snap-off-Ding. Und wir haben das Rekord gespielt. Das Band, das war nicht mal Stereo, das war Mono, eigentlich. Ja. He said, well, you know, Dwight, what they say, because he was a film producer in the 80s. He did Repo Man. And he said, you know what they say? They say theater is life, film is art, and television? Das ist in den 90ern, als es noch war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Der erste Nationalband. Er hatte die vollen Nudie-Suits. Chris Hillman von den Börsen und ich. You did one of his songs on a new record. Yes, he's a co-conspirator. He does the Burrito Stand on my channel, the Bakersfield Beat, on Sirius Channel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He was a bluegrass kid out of Southern California, out of down north San Diego County. Rancho Santa Fe, way down when it was just this
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I took you off on tangents. I started with you in Alaska.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
We started with you coming from New Mexico. So that's like Tom T. Hall had a great song title, That's How I Got to Memphis. Sort of what this interview is like. That's How I Got to Memphis. Tom T. Hall. He's a good one. He's a great writer. A Kentuckian. And his... Weird connection. His brother worked at the factory my mother ran the data center for. What was that big hit he had?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, he had... Well, Harbor Valley PTA he wrote.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, he wrote, I love little baby ducks, old pickup trucks, slow moving trains, and rain.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
No, I never met Tom. In passing once. So you're growing up in Columbus. By that point, yeah. And when do you start playing? Well... Two years old, I'm trying. I got a K-Guitar that my dad brings home from the service. Are they made in Korea? No, no, but he ended up with it vis-a-vis somebody that probably owed a gambling debt or whatever. Like one of those ones with the painted-on pickguard?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, Harmony, but K is slightly better than Harmony. K-Guitar. So I had that, and all I wanted to do was, you know, I emulate everything I was hearing. I've got a shot of me in my box set from years ago. My granny, Earlene Tibbs, holding the top of it, because I could barely hold it. And I eventually, when I was about three or four years old, tripped and fell and crushed it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
broke it so the next time that i actually get a real guitar and i really didn't play it i was just banging around trying sure was i was i was in third grade and all i wanted that i had you know pestered him that whole summer in the fall who your dad guitar for christmas guitar what'd you get santa claus and He pawned a shotgun, the only good gun he ever really had, and bought me a guitar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because he ran a Texaco station at that point. But he had been a master mechanic, trained in the Army.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Huge deal, actually. As I looked back, it gets to me. You know, as a kid, my mom would say to me at one point when I was, you know, maybe... Ja. Ja. Als Erwachsener, wenn ich daran denke und mein Herz, weißt du, weißt du, weil er so war und der Art von Kerl er war, er war nicht, weißt du, er war ein guter Kerl. Keiner meiner Eltern, danke Gott für mich, waren militärisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und als Erwachsener bemerkte ich, wie glücklich das Teil meines Lebens war. Es waren keine Geniuses, keine Rocketscientisten. Aber gute Leute. Ja. Really decent. I really, really, really thank fate for delivering me there and not somewhere else as I grew to know their people and their experiences. As a young adult, you start to know. Especially over the years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, so anyway. Where's that song? So at eight years old. Well, I haven't actually written about that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I never really literally did. I wrote something, the first thing I ever wrote when I was about eight years old was called How Far Is Heaven? And the first line, it was... Wir sahen jeden Abend, wie Walter Cronkite noch im Wohnzimmer war und die ersten Bilder der Vietnameskriege kamen an. Reispatties, Helikopter und Menschen, die gestorben sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And I wrote this song, a fictitious account, and I didn't really finish it. It was a verse and a bit of a chorus. It was called How Far Is Heaven? And it started with, my daddy got killed over in Vietnam, and here's just a few things that I don't understand. So I began, and my father was a little disturbed. I would write something about a father. He'd sit in my... Was denkst du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Willst du, dass ich getötet werde? Nein, ich bin nicht weggegangen. Du bist ein Songwriter. Du bist fiktiv. Das Konzept war ein bisschen überraschend für ihn. Schau mich an, ich war acht Jahre alt. Das ist interessant. Ich habe nur ein paar Chords gelernt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Die Heelblazer, die ich als Kind hörte. Das ist alles. Viele tote Leute in Hillbilly-Stone. Ja, genau. Die Dunkelheit in den Hallern. Aber als wir einen von den Covers von Billy Strings überschritten haben, war es Stonewalls and Steelbars und You On My Mind. Das ist auf dem Album, das sie zusammen gemacht haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And the first time I ever heard that was Keith Whitley singing it with Ralph Stanley and his band. He and Ricky Skaggs were young teenage members of the Ralph Stanley Clinch Mountain Boys. And it's a haunted song about a guy in prison. Anyway.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
In der Musik von Bluegrass gibt es beide, die oft gleichzeitig funktionieren. Du hast etwas, eine sehr dunkle Thema mit einem aufgeregten Tempo, weißt du, geh runter, du Knoxville-Frau, wo ein Typ diese Frau ermordet, weil sie ihm nichts Gutes getan hat oder ihn schlecht behandelt hat oder ihn verletzt hat. And it's up-tempo. Go down, go down, you knock the girl down. It's like they murder her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's kind of a happy dance tune until you start listening to what goes on. It's like, oh, man, you killed that woman, didn't you? It's like down by the banks of the Ohio is a famous folk, you know. I asked my love to take a walk, to take a walk, just a little walk. Down by where the waters flow, down by the banks of the Ohio. Did he kill her? Yeah, he kills her dead.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
kills her deader than dead, actually. But anyway, so there's this, it's Irish, Scottish, Welsh folk music. This is where it's handed down from and it's all there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Oh, well that's Levon bringing that stuff to the band.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I mean, that, you point to one of the great Beispiel. Klassische Beispiele davon. Ich glaube, es ist kathartisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja, sie sind in der Bootee, richtig? Ja. And they had the buck revolt finally. You know, the South becomes a Republic. The North is still, you know, up into a recent history.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
At eight. You know, but it was, it was alone in my, you know, my bedroom and people like it. Junior High, High School, I played drums. What are you listening to though? My dad had a great album by Stonewall Jackson. He bought it for my mom after an argument because it had a hit song called Don't Be Angry. He gave it to her as an apology.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That's the kind of guy, he came in and was like, I got you something. In her Album. In Stonewalls Hit. Don't be angry with me, darling, if I fail to understand. Anyway. But I had this album. And I started listening to it. And there's a great George Jones song on that album. Called Life to Go. And Stonewall, that was the only version I knew of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I didn't know that George wrote it until later when I was looking at writing credits. I'll get back to Mike Nesmith in a moment. I know that's where we started.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Nesmith bringt uns dazu. Aber Stonewall Jackson, sein Lied, Life to Go, das ist nicht anders als das, was wir gesprochen haben, die Dunkelheit der Lieder und der Hillbilly-Kultur, hat George Jones geschrieben. Und er sagt, ich habe eine schade, schade Geschichte, Freunde, die ich nicht gerne erzählen möchte. Aber er wird es dir anyway erzählen. I had a wife and family.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's like, what a way to start. I wrote one years ago. Good setup. Sort of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
About a guy that goes, you'll be sorry you asked me the reason. It's like, the whole song is my, the voice singing it, telling the guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So he says, I've got a sad, sad story of friends that I don't like to tell. I had a wife and family when they locked me in the cell. Yeah. I've been in here 18 years, a long time, a long, long time, I know. But time don't mean a thing to me, cause I got life to go. And he tells a story about, I went out one night where the lights were bright, just to see what I could see.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I met up with an old friend who thought the world of me. Bought me drinks and he took me to every honky-tonk in town.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But then words were said, now he's dead. I just had to bring him down. Killed the guy that was buying the drinks. Yeah. Anyway, now I've dragged you into that deep part of that song. The thing that got to me, even at 9, 10, 11 years old, listening to that album, I was fascinated with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, well, the verse that got me was, he said, I had a wife and family when they locked me in a cell, but I'll be here in this prison now till my body's just a shell. And I bet that little girl of mine doesn't realize or know that her daddy's been here 18 years and still got life to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because the loss, you know, when that happens, when somebody gets incarcerated and when somebody goes away to deep time, you know, the ones, the innocents, die hinter mir geblieben sind und wach sind. Denk nicht darüber nach. Eine Merle Haggard-Song, die ich oft über die Jahre gesprochen habe, die mich mehr über Songwriting als junger Junge erinnert hat. Ich habe mich auf den Rekord geschaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Als ich den Lied gehört habe, hat er nur einen Vers. Es heißt »Holding Things Together«. Es beginnt mit einem Chorus. »Holding things together ain't no easy thing to do. When it comes to raising children, it's a job meant for two.« Und die Perspektive ist, die Frau hat die Familie verlassen, nicht die andere Seite. Normalerweise hat der Mann verlassen. Aber er ist allein mit den Kindern verlassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und er sagt, Alice, bitte glaubt mir, ich kann nicht weitergehen, mit dir zusammenhalten. Er sagt, aber der Vers, der einzige Vers in der Liede ist, heute war Angie's Geburtstag. And it must have slipped your mind. I tried twice to call you with no answer either time. But the postman brought a package I mailed some days ago. I signed it love from Mama so Angie wouldn't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
You don't get any more poignant than that. This is a dad that has to cover for the mom that's left, you know, the old blues song Motherless Child. Sure. There's nothing worse. Yeah. Because I watch, you know, I've got a little guy in this album. Yeah. Brighter Days is an Outgrowth. He sings at the end of one of them, right? He does, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He prompted my writing the song.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Which one was it? Brighter Days, the title track. As I looked at him, we were in the height of, at that point, two years into COVID. He's about two years old. He was born in 2020. And what a strange experience, you know, like my living my life in reverse anyway. It's like I thought that possibility for me... Yeah, you were out. Yeah, well, I didn't think... I'd always thought...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I would have children, you know. And you look around one day, John Lennon's famous quote, life's what goes on when you're making other plans, right, you know. And there he was and there he is, thanks to my beautiful wife, Emily, who came into my life, you know, some years before.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
We had planned, we had decided to get married and it just, as fate would have it, in 2019, we said, we're going to make good on this promise, we're getting married. Yeah. And then he showed up. We realized just before we were married, she was pregnant with him. And you're no youngster. No. And you were like, okay. Well, I'm spry. Yeah. And you know what? He makes me young now. I'm sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I now feel a certain... And it's not a condescending tone to this. But I feel... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. was called the running kind. I was born the running kind with leaving always on my mind. Home was never home for me at any time. He said every front door left me hoping that I'd find a back door open. Because there just had to be an exit for the running kind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That's kind of the summation, especially young guys, you know, 19, 20. A certain type of guy, yeah, sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I mean, yeah, but I think it's more common for men, you know, the hunter-gatherer nature.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yes, the selfishness of men, you know, we are. I never thought that way until I had my own little guy and I'm like, you know, a child in my world. I'm like, wow, you know, I miss this for other people. Yeah. Friends. Well, good for you. No, no, no. It's a weird emotion to have now. No, I think it's good. I miss it for other friends.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That's my country song. You think I'm bringing kids into this? Oh Mann. Anyway, so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It talks about the glory and the happiness and the fulfillment, but they also don't talk about the struggle for parents.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Meine Mutter hat eine Geschichte erzählt, dass eine alte Frau in seinem Hals lebte. Sie sagte ... Sie kamen zu ihr Haus und sagte, Frau Collins, warum weinst du? Sie sagte, ich dachte nur. Sie sagte, was denkst du? Sie sagte, ich habe keine Kinder. Aber wenn ich ein Kind hätte, würde etwas zu diesem Kind passieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Oh, something could have happened to that child and I would have been just, what if they had died? And what you're going to, it's this whole made up scenario with the story goes on and on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, made herself just a thought of, and it is, I've never been as frightened in my life as Ja. Ja. In any event, I, yeah, I very fortunately have had this. And the album was an outgrowth of that day. I was sitting and reading a book in one of the rooms in the house that I have a guitar sitting in. And he came in and he has a little Telecaster Ukulele dragged around. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because he went, it's a weird experience. I was back out toward the end of 2020 doing a couple of things. In 2021 I was out doing shows. And he was able to, you know, he went out. Und er hat wahrscheinlich 60 Shows gemacht, als er zwei Jahre alt war. Er hat stoppt, weil es schwieriger wurde, als er ein bisschen älter wurde. Aber er hatte diese kleine Telecaster-Ukelele.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er hatte das an, und er sagte, er spricht ein bisschen. Er war wie eine Gitarre, und er sagte, komm schon, komm schon, spiel. Und ich dachte mir, okay, ich will stoppen, was ich tue. Also stoppte ich und schaute, wie seine Enttäuschung mich betrug. Und ich habe es genommen und angefangen, zu sagen, was du singen willst. Und er würde etwas in Töne sagen, was ich singen würde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und ich schaute auf ihn und begann, zu schreiben. Lass uns etwas machen. Und ich fing an, das erste Vers zu singen. What are we going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Looking at him, just the joy of him, his expression, his excitement of the smallest thing of just me picking up that guitar, stopping what I was doing to focus on him, brought such excitement to his eyes and he started laughing and I said, okay, well, the brightness of that moment, because in 2022 we were all still fumbling around with being shut down, opened up, shut down, couldn't go to the grocery store without a
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Three masks on and anyway. And I went, well, there's brightness. And I was just like, brighter days are up ahead. Because early on, I was getting him just when he was an infant, say something to me. And I got him on video going, he's Tell Daddy you love him. And he made the sound of just mimicking me. And I, you know, kept that clip like, you said I love you to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
You know, projecting onto this two-month-old, three-month-old. But I looked at him and went, brighter days are up. Brighter days, that's what you said the first time you ever spoke to me. Just that, you know, the license. And so he was... Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, some of it came out of this channel of the Bakersfield Beat on the Sirius XM. Weil das ist, wo ich Post kennengelernt habe. Im Jahr 2018 kam er ein. Ich wusste ihn nur durch Post Malone. Und er hatte gerade White Ivors und er hatte den ersten großen Republik-Rekord, den er herausgegeben hat. Und er war zwischen dem und dem nächsten. Ja. Und ich sagte, nein, ich habe es noch nicht gehört.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und sie meinte, hast du gehört, er hat dich auf all seinen Playlists. Und ich wusste nicht, dass ich mich dazu interessiert habe. Er wurde in Dallas geboren, als Kind, in Texas. Und er kam auf die Show. Und er hat mit einem meiner Gitarren am Serious Station, mit dem Studio. Und bevor wir anfangen, und ich schaue, was du planst. Weil ich konnte sehen, es war ein Fingerpick von Bob Dylan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er hat gesagt, denk nicht zweimal. Ich sagte, oh, oh, oh. I said, Charlie Crockett later told me, you know, the country guy. Charlie said, yeah, I first heard of him. I went up to Dallas. He's a teenager. His dad was dropping off at bars. He said, there's this guy, Austin Post was his name, his given name. And he said, and he's sitting in clubs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
His dad drops him off and he sits and does Dylan songs. Und ich sagte, nein, nein, du spielst das zuerst, damit die Leute wissen, ob es die Band Long Black Veil ist oder was auch immer, dass du wirklich die Ehrgeiz von seinem Lieblingsmusik, independent of style, weil an diesem Punkt war er bekannt für die Art von Pseudo-Rap, das urbane Ding, das ihn eröffnete.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und ich wusste, er hatte eine enorme Liebe für Country Beauty. Er wollte ein Song von 1000 Meilen von Nirgendwo machen. Und wir haben das am Abend zusammen gemacht. Und dann habe ich ihn mit mir zu Haggard machen lassen. Es ist auf dem Video, wenn du es anschaust. Also hat dich das inspiriert, den Rekord zu machen? Es hat mich dazu geführt, was ich mit ihm auf dem Rekord gemacht habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Bang, bang, boom, boom. Ich weiß nicht, wie ich aufhören soll. Weil ich das Album beendet habe, es gemixt habe, Zwei Wochen später haben sie mich gefragt, ob ich mit ihm Stagecoach mache. Ich war da die Nacht vorher bei meinem eigenen Show. Und sie haben gesagt, Post ist da die nächste Nacht und möchte, dass du da sitzt. Ich sagte, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Er hat ein Album von Country Musik gemacht, das nicht korrekt war. Es wurde das Album, das er jetzt auf F1 Trillionen veröffentlicht hat. Ja. Sie sagten, er will auf deinem Rekord singen. Ich sagte, ich habe es gerade fertig gemacht. Es ist wie vermischt, fertig. Ich sagte, Gott, warum hat mir jemand drei Monate zuvor nicht gesagt, dass ich es kann.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und dann kamen ein paar Stopplights und sagten, du weißt, My wife was with me in the car. Emily, I said, I was going to write something for us. Because I know he likes traditional country music. So I said, I want to write a shuffle. Because we had decided we would do, that's what the calls back and forth were about, my manager's thing.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So I said, well, I already did Thousand Miles with Carrie Underwood at CMA Fest. And we did guitars. She and I did that there. Fast as you with Keith Urban at Stagecoach. And I said, I don't know. Ich sagte, vielleicht Little Ways. Und er hat mich angerufen und gesagt, ja, Little Ways, er liebt Little Ways. Also habe ich gesagt, er liebt das.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich habe gesagt, ich werde einen für ihn schreiben, nur für ihn und ich. Und so habe ich das in dem... vein of that moment in my career, that came off the second album, Hillbilly Deluxe. And I have the cover of Chris Hellman on this record, which is an outgrowth of doing the radio shows with him and then him launching his own show on our channel. And then
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Jeffrey Steele, der in den 80er- und 90er-Jahren ein Kalifornischer war, mit seiner Band Boy Howdy, die in die nächste Wave kam, nachdem meine Band und ich in den 80er-Jahren aus der Cow-Punk-Szene brachen, mit Maria McKee, Lone Justice, Los Lobos. Die vorherigen Gruppen waren die Blasters, Los Lobos, sie waren auf Slash, X, John Doe und Xene.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And the knitters, the offshoot of that, because the cow punk, the punk rockers, which California every decade or so has rock and rollers who decide they want to explore the country roots of California. And that is... Merle Haggard, Buck Owens. Well, they go back to that, but preceding that... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really what gives you Fleetwood Mac and the pop incarnation of the Eagles in the 70s.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
California, the California sound that took over the airways from the early 70s through the late 70s. But you come up.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, early, because they were distant figures in California. And I didn't realize until I became a young adult that disparate, you had Nashville, but you had this outpost. The Bakersfield sound, the Bakersfield beat came out of actually Hollywood. I think Credence even comes from it a little bit. Well, the East Bay, Oakland, the working class side of the Bay, right? The blue collar.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
John Fogarty spricht darüber. Er war nie in Lodi und hat Lodi geschrieben. Aber du bist in Nashville gegangen. Einfach. Du hattest eine Band zusammen? Ich hatte keine Band. Ich hatte eine Rockabilly-Band aus der Highschool. Das geht zurück zu... Nobody knew. I was at home in my room and in church, a cappella church, a cappella singing in church. Church of Christ, which I was raised in.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And the variation of the church that I was in didn't believe in the first century they used any instrumentation in worship. So we had a pitch pipe and we sang a cappella. So I came out of that culture, so I was singing there as a child all the way through.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And it's hillbilly hymn tradition, which is different than deep southern gospel, which is rooted in African American culture, you know, and the blues influence of that. This is Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Presbyterian hymns. Like Old Rugged Cross, you know, In the Garden, famous hymn. The Hillbilly hymns. But my schoolmates, my peers, didn't know anything about this.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
They didn't know I could sing at all. And I heard Ja, sicher. I heard them trying to do something. I went in and went, what are you guys doing? And they said, well, you know, we're doing like a greaser thing, you know, a band. So I went, well, you mean like this? I picked up the guitar. They didn't know I played drums. And I started singing Everlys to them and they were like, what?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So I became the front guy and I was hosting that event. You know, that high school variety show that year with another guy. Because I was in the theater department. And I ended up doing it for the first time my junior year. And it became a rage. You know, it was this, you know... The 50s band. Yeah, it was a weird...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
kind of hybrid of that because i didn't gas my hair back yeah i had hair so that my bangs hang yeah but all the other guys look like yeah you know lords of flatbush the movie that yeah you know henry wankler and stalone yeah great film i rewatched it it's an odd movie it's a very odd movie the greatest scene ever in there is where stallone's Ja, ja, ja.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Auf jeden Fall, nichts anderes als diese Szene war großartig. Es gab eine Menschlichkeit dazu. Oh ja, es ist ein wirklich grittiger Film. Die Humilität von dem, dass er das Ring nicht kaufen konnte für sie, auch wenn er es wollte. Und dieser Jeweler, du weißt. trading her up, you know, getting her in it.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, you know, just the moment of, you know. The wait. Yeah. So that was going on, that whole period. And I, you know, was now decided, I got this taste of response that was strong and positive. But you'd done some theater, though, too? Yeah, I'd been, you know, not very sophisticated stuff, but just, you know, on stage and acting. And, uh...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But this was the first love, the thing that I'd done, kind of kept hidden at home. Wir haben mit der Gitarre angefangen Gigs zu spielen und es gab wieder Sock-Hops, amerikanische Graffiti und so weiter. Ich bin in der Hochschule gegangen, da war nichts los. Die Country-Rock-Szene hat sich zu diesem Zeitpunkt erhoben, die Eagles und alles. Also war ich wirklich 72, 3, 4, richtig?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Weil ich in 74 rausgekommen bin. Also sind die Birds fertig? Ja, das ist fertig, aber es ist die Voraussetzung. Und die Burritos sind fertig. Sie sind die berühmteste Band, die niemand je gehört hat. I knew the Eagles were out there, and Creedence, John Fogerty, through junior high and high school. What a fucking band. Oh, he was my handhold, that I could have a conversation with a peer.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That and Led Zeppelin. So all of that, but Creedence, John Fogerty, because you're at that point of transition, because I didn't have an older sibling, I'm the oldest of three, so I didn't have anybody coaching me through. And Ja, ja. Ja, ja. I knew there was something special and unique and American about Fogerty and what he was doing, you know, and Credence.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And they became, you know, without a plan or design, the soundtrack, if you will, the backdrop sound, audio. Soundtrack to the Vietnam War in a lot of weird ways. Run Through the Jungle. Fortunate Son. You know, all those things that he was writing.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Pure Musik. Pure Musik. So I was thrilled. But I didn't know how to put an electric band together. So it was Emmys record, that first record. And Linda. Those first three Linda Ronson albums.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
You know, because she was doing Silver Threads. But Emmy, because by then I was just 75, college, you know. So I was at Ohio State and I was, you know. So everything's coming into you, but you're not playing country music. So I go to Nashville because I'm figuring, that's the, I had friends there that I could go down there and kind of hang with.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And I auditioned at the Opera Land Park because I thought, I don't know, nobody's got a road map. My parents didn't know. They just thought, Well, you better go to college, get something to fall back on, because nobody knows, show business is so foreign. Everybody, even I'm sure your family.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So, I go to Nashville and spend my wheels there briefly. War es da etwas, das dich enttäuscht hat? Nein, sie haben mir einen Altslot in den Park gebeten, weil sie Performer im Opernlandpark im Sommer hatten. Und ich habe die erste Audition übernommen und ein paar Wochen lang zurückgegangen und eine andere gemacht.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Dann ging ich nach Hause, zurück nach Ohio, und sie riefen und sagten, du kannst einen Alternativen haben, wenn du willst, komm und bleibst. In der Zwischenzeit, mein Gitarrenspieler, ein Mann namens Billy Alves, der in der Rockabilly-Band mit mir war, sagte, er hatte Relativen in Kalifornien, er kommt hierher. Ich habe nicht erkannt, dass er nur ein Besuch kommen würde.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Seine Intention war nicht, zu bleiben. Er sagte, du kommst mit mir. Du kommst. Ich nehme dich mit. Du gehst weg. Ja. Weil er hatte den Wunsch, ich brauchte ein bisschen Prodding. Und so habe ich meinen 68er von meinem Bruder verkauft. Ja. Für 150 Dollar. Ja. Und habe seinen 74er Volkswagen Beetle gekauft. Das ist ein Ausgleich. Ja. Ich habe das mit ihm gekauft und hatte nicht mal ein Auto.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und wir fuhren und endeten in Long Beach, Kalifornien. Und er hatte eine Familie in Tustin, in Orange County. Und ich habe gesagt, na gut, wir sind so weit gekommen. Lass uns irgendwo auf der Straße oder in Hollywood finden. Und wir haben in Santa Monica angefangen und konnten nichts hinzufügen, bis wir nach Long Beach kamen. Es war etwas, was wir wahrscheinlich nicht hinzufügen konnten.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Wir endeten dort. Er hat bis zum 4. Juli geblieben. Das war im Frühjahr. Ja. Ja. Ja. Yeah. Like who? Well... I met a guy named Boo Bernstein, who became an executive at Capitol Records later, but he was a steel guitar player, just various guys, and you start to try to put a band together, and I finally did, through a guy from Tulsa, Oklahoma, named Stuart Deeming.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I don't know if you remember these names. Yeah. This guy, and he knew a drummer named Richard Coffey. And Richard believed in me enough that he started playing with me in a place called The Corral out here in Lakeview Terrace. Yeah. Right up the road here from where you are in Glendale. Yeah. Where Foothill and Osborne meet. Oh yeah. Right? Yeah. It's no longer there. It's gone. There's like a...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Civic Center, a library or something for kids. So you're tapping into what is country here? Yeah. It's been here since the Tom Joad Road, the Dust Bowl. They brought with them the Okies, the Arkies, and the Texans. Right, but what's going on in... 70s, 1978, yeah. So the punk started to happen. Yeah, all the punk scenes, because L.A. punk happens really in 79 with X. But it's going on, but I'm...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
suited to do what I do. I'm doing Bill Monroe and Merle Haggard. You got a mandolin player? No, but I've got just hillbilly me on the guitar, lead guitarist, bass and drums. And we're playing, I couldn't, I look back and I thought, well, I wasn't good enough to play the Thursday, Friday, Saturday slot at the corral. But I was good enough to do the Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So I was doing the off nights. And I was driving air freight in the daytime, go out there at night and start at nine. Playing covers? Nine till two. But my covers were hardcore country. And it's right ahead of the whole urban cowboy thing that happened. Ich glaube, das war 1979 oder so.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja, aber ich würde nicht die Top-40-Version von Country machen. Ich habe nicht Looking for Love oder Urban Cowboys gemacht. Ich habe Haggard gemacht, George Jones, all diese Sachen. Aber die Leute wollten daran tanzen und es liebten sie. Und ich habe ein Jahr da drin gespart. Ein solches Jahr mit den Off-Notes. Fünf Sets pro Nacht. Und, äh, du weißt, du wächst dich auf.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich habe andere Musiker getroffen und war dort am Tag, an dem John Lennon getötet wurde. Ich erinnere mich an Delaney Bramlett. Ja. Äh, der war einer der großartigen Musiker in Kalifornien. Er kam aus dem Süden. Er und Leon Russell formten die Band für Shindig.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich wusste es nicht an der Zeit. Aber er kam und schreckte, weil er John Lennon kannte. Ja, richtig. Das ist das, was ich das Jahr mache. Und ich bin... getting my sea legs and meeting more musicians. And a guy, Boo Bernstein, said, I'm playing with this guy, you gotta come meet him over in the West Valley. He's playing at this place called Wild Bill's Roundup. And I go over in Chatsworth, right?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And sit in this night, and it's this guitar player named Pete Anderson. And he heard me sing this Merle Haggard song. I said, well, I do it now. We did two or three songs. He starts talking, he's curious about me. And he's from Detroit. And it leads to Ja. Ja. Thank you, Richard. This guy, I could cut songs, because he had spec time.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He was a house engineer at United Western, which is the old Western recorders on Sunset Boulevard that Frank Sinatra built with Bill Putnam, who had a United Sound, Uri speakers in the studios, one of the big monitors, the blue foam on the horn, Uri. So, United Western Studios, I had no idea the history of this until later, that I was in there, and he...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er sagte, wenn ich dir einen Deal machen kann, werden wir Publisher handeln. Ich war glücklich genug, dass ich das nicht erkannt habe. Ich habe diese Songs geschrieben, seit Jahren, dass ich hier war. Ich habe geschrieben über meine Familie und mein Leben vor Kalifornien. Und er sagte, ich kann dich auf die Seite schneiden. Also, nachdem ich am Abend auf der Arbeit war, hätte er Zeit für Speck.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Aber an diesem Punkt, es ist wahrscheinlich 81. Okay. Aber die Jungs, die ich die Demos, die sind auf meinem Best of, es gibt eine neue Serie von Alben, die auf Warner rausgekommen sind, die erste Partie des Jahres, die ersten drei Alben. Ja. Und es gibt andere Sachen, die rausgekommen sind. Und es sind diese Demos. Ja.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And the band that did the demos consisted of Glenn D. Harden on piano, who was in Elvis' band. David Mansfield's playing fiddle. David Mansfield's mandolin fiddle player, I mean, prodigy. He was on Rolling Thunder Review with Bob Dylan. He was like 17 years old. He had Jerry McGee on guitar, who had been part of the record crew, going back to the Monkees.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And I'll get back to Nesmith and I and our experience together. But Nesmith... is doing country rock before there's a term for it in the Monkees. 66, that first album, I'm a kid who sees this, you know, I got the Beatles by that point, but, you know, still not as fully as that exploding color on a console TV, right? In the fall of 66 in everybody's living room.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's this fictitious band, but there's a real musician, Mike Nesmith in this band, who writes Linda Ronstadt's first radio hit. was the Stone Ponies. You and I travel to the beat of a different drum. Mike Nesmith wrote that. That was his song. So they're letting Mike have two songs on each Monkees album that he gets to sing and produce and write. So I hear on the first Monkees album I hear
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
not knowing, I'm hearing Carole King co-write with Mike Nesmith. I'm hearing the voice in heart write inverted versions of Paperback Rider with Last Friend of Clarksville, which turns out being hillbillified. So that's going on and Nesmith was bringing the Texas sound to the monkeys. He said, they didn't want to hear any hillbilly.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
They didn't want to hear from, he said, but you can do it, just don't call it that. But I point to on the channel, and Chris Hillman and I talk about this a lot, that it really begins country rock.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
No, with Rick Nelson and the Ozzy and Harriet Show. And Rick Nelson, Ricky Nelson, becomes 16 years old and Ozzy decides, I'm gonna let him do his music on the show. And he becomes the heartthrob. What was the hit?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But it's country rock when you listen and listen to Ja. Ja. Ja.
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He said, yes, you are right. Rick Nelson is the Das ist der Radar-Return von dem, was von über dem Horizont kommen wird.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Absolut, Joanne, Silver Moon, diese Dinge, die ich auf dem Radio gehört habe. Niemand weiß wirklich über diese Albums. I know. It's the first national band, right? It's brilliant. Yeah. And he has Red Roads in that band. There's like, what, three or four records? Yeah. But her name was Joanne and she lived in a meadow by a fall. Yeah.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And he wrote that and he had Standing in the lonely light of the silver moon.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Diese Hillbilly-Sachen, diese Country-Rock-First-National-Band-Sachen.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja, ein Typ kommt raus und hört mich, weil Pete und ich eine andere Inkarnation einer Band zusammengebracht haben. Und wir fangen an, die Bars zu spielen. Wir wurden mehr gefeuert, als wir gefeuert wurden. Ja. Because they wanted to hear urban cowboy top 40 country. And I wasn't doing that. Wasn't suited to do it, wasn't doing it. And we were really by that point doing Electric Bluegrass.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I was doing, you know, I would start each show with Hear Me Calling. Bill Monroe, Tweet heart of mine. Pete knew a fiddle player named Brantley Kearns, who was a great harmony singer and fiddle player. I knew the drummer from the King Bees, named Jeff Donovan, who was a swinginess guy. the best wrist shot action ever. I said, I got this drummer, man, I'd like to get him to play drum.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And Pete said, okay. And I got the bass player, he's got him, J.D. Foster. So we put it together, between the two of us, and we started playing, you know, these clubs. We started, you know, hiring in, and Sie würden alle sagen, sie wollten Hardcore-Kundermusik hören, bis sie eine Dose von mir für ein Wochenende oder zwei bekommen. Das ist das, was du tust, diese Hard-Kundermusik.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Wir denken, wir brauchen etwas Softeres als das, weil ich George Jones, weißt du, ja. And we were doing it with a passion and with a rave up. Like I said, if you took late 30s Bill Monroe or Jimmy Martin, you talk about Detroit, Jimmy Martin broke out of two places, Wheeling, West Virginia, WWVA, and then Detroit Radio.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He went up to the big hillbilly station in Detroit and he had massive success up there on that radio station. So you're blasting the country. Yeah. And a guy named Bill Bentley comes out and sees we meet in a driveway where I lived in a garage apartment. We're standing in the driveway talking. He goes, well, what do you do? I said, well, I'm, you know,
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und er wird interessiert, weil er ein Schauspieler für die L.A. Weekly ist. Ich wusste es nicht. Wir starteten zu schießen. Ich sagte, ich spiele den Palomino, wenn Sie interessiert sind. Ich gab ihm ein paar Tickets, den Palomino. Und er kommt raus und sieht mich. Und er bucht Nächte im Club Lingerie.
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In Bezug darauf, dass er ein Schriftsteller für die Weekly ist und ein Hauptpublisist bei Slash Records.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Sie haben nur die Blaster gesignet. Die Americana-Ding.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja. Bevor es einen Term gibt. Und er drückt Dave Alvin raus, um mich bei Palomino zu sehen. Ja. Und Dave Alvin sagte... He walked in and looked at Bill Bentley and went, this kid's got limousines in his future. And Dave took me under his wing. Great guy. Yeah. He allowed us to go to New York and open for the Blasters. He let us go to Houston, Texas and Austin.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And that's actually where I got signed by Warner. The folks out of Nashville came there, saw me open for the Blasters in Austin and signed us. But Bill Bentley... championed me, wrote a gatefold piece in the fall of 84 on that album in the LA Weekly that helped launch me to the Sun Times, the East Village.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I then picked up that LP, the six-song version, the independent record, and that led to my being signed to Warner. But in the middle of all that, the scene had started happening, the cow-punk quote-unquote scene, with the knitters, the offshoot of the ex, but Maria McKee und Lone Justice. Los Cruzados, die als Punkband die Plugs waren. All diese Bands, die da waren. Und wir waren auf der Bühne.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Was war das? Ranking File? Ranking File. Tony und Chip. Die Dills wurden Ranking File. Das geht los. Wir teilen Bälle mit all diesen Bands. Ich bin dieses Hillbilly-Ding. Cowboy hat me and them, you know, and it was this moment. In fact, Michael Gilmore wrote about it in, I think he wrote a piece in the Herald Examiner about it, and Todd Everett wrote about it.
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George Strait. Und ein anderer Typ, der in diesem Moment passiert ist, Neotraditionalismus, John Anderson. Und But it doesn't really, you know, have that moment until 86 with myself and then Steve Earle. Right. But... Guitar Town? He did Guitar Town on the heels of guitars. Cadillacs had been out as an indie record. Right. And then we get signed and then Steve puts his out.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But you have like solid country hits on all three records. Well, yeah, it starts. Yeah. That begins. And that separated me, you know, again then from... die Erinnerungen der Szene hier, weil es mich auf einen anderen Weg gebracht hat. Witzig genug, ich wurde auf MTV gespielt, bis ich einen Country-Hit hatte.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und dann wollte ich nichts machen, weil ich einen kommerziellen Country-Hit hatte und sie haben uns segregiert. Aber VH1 hat mich immer noch gespielt. Und ich sage dir, wer mich bis dahin gespielt hat, war Much Music in Toronto, in Kanada. Sie haben nie verabschiedet. Ich würde in der Rotation mit U2 gespielt werden. Das ist großartig.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Wir haben die Ja, die Carter-Familie. old-timey music. A flatbed truck goes by advertising for the new, the governor and his run. And they're doing the Carter Family's Sunnyside. Keep on the sunnyside always on. And I used it in my residency show in 2019. It's all ties to the album. Pre-COVID.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
In the first two months of 2020, as we do the residency for a second time, we're supposed to do it again later, but the world goes sideways. But I work up as the first song that I do when I walk out, because it starts with a bunch of visuals. It's a three-hour show, where I, can you believe, I talk the whole time. No. Shocking. Shocking. Stunned. That revelation. But it was me going...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because the radio channel had started at that point. So we took it as a residency. Because one of the agents, Jeff Frasco over at CAA, heard the channel and goes, there's got to be... Das ist wie ein TV-Show oder ein Show.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Etwas mit diesem Kanal. Ich sagte, vielleicht, ich sagte, vielleicht, du sprichst von mir, ich mache eine Residenz da drüben? Er sagte, ja. Ich sagte, lass mich rein und pitche diese Seite. Also habe ich es gemacht. Es ist alles im Deck. Es beginnt in den 30ern, aber ich beginne zuerst.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
in bristol tennessee with modern commercial country ralph pierre goes from new york with the first portable recording devices yeah down to bristol tennessee and advertises come one come all sing for me yeah and he's and the two people that came the first week he went on down to carolina and set up again but the two that came in that became
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
modern country music were jimmy rogers yeah you know the singing brakeman singing brakeman yeah the blue yodeler yeah and the carter family ap mother mayville so you start there yeah i start there with this resident to explain to the live audience they see The beginning, the depression. They see how you get to California. How everybody gets to California. How that music gets to California.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
How all of us get to California. The Tom Joad Road. And I go out and begin that. So I used... this jacked up Stones-esque, I said to the band, I said, I got an idea about rethinking Sunnyside. And that's what's on the record. So, come full circle, two years, I go, I'm gonna cut that, because we're now in the doldrums of, you know, everything we lived through with the pandemic. And I'm like,
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Sunny Side, keep on the sunny side. Even in the height of the depression. So it fit the record. But with an aggression.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
There's a funny story about Jimmy Martins band, this bluegrass, when you put that up, when the guitar plays, you put that up. J.D. Crow, I don't know if you know that name, but he had the New South. Great bluegrass banjo player. And he was playing in Jimmy Martins bluegrass band after Jimmy left Das ist, wie Jimmy Martin Flattens Krugs verwendet hat. Oder Lester Flatt. Er ist der Sänger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und dann verlässt er Bill, weil er seine Designs auf sich selbst bekommt. Und er wurde nie ein Opernmember, weil Bill Monroe das für immer blockiert hat. Aber er hat seine Band. Und J.D. Crow spielt mit ihm Banjo. Und er sagt, dass er eines Tages... Etwas kam auf und sie stehen da und schauen sich um. Und er sagt, Jimmy, als du singst... Du bist der Star.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er sagte, wenn ich das Banjo spiele, bin ich der fucking Star. Also sagt Fogarty das, ja. Du hast das aufgeschrieben. Ich bin alt genug, dass ich als erstes in einem Rekordstudio die kleinen braunen, schwarzen Boxen, Oratons, gesehen hast. Die kleinsten, günstigsten 6-Inch-Hörer. Ja. Das ist das, was du mit Final vermischst, weil das ist das, was es klingen würde, wenn sie sagen, in einem Auto.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und das wäre in der Booth. Ja, in der Kontrollrunde. Du würdest da sitzen und sagen, das ist das, was es klingt. Die großen Redner klingen glücklich, aber weißt du, wie jeder es hören wird? Ja. Auf das, das schittigste, günstigste kleines. Und das ist der Grund, warum einige Rekorde schittig klingen, auf guten Systemen. Oh, ja. Ja. Aber... Auf diesem Rekord? Nein, nein, nein, nein, nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Das erste Album je, Guitars Cadillacs. Aber auf dem originalen Sechs-Song-LP, konnte ich meistern. Ich hatte genug Geld, um meistern zu können bei Capital.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
As Dave Alvin said to somebody, Dwight lives up there at the top of Argyle. Yeah. Above the freeway. Yeah. Franklin or, yeah, Franklin and Argyle. Yeah. He said he lives up there in the smallest apartment you ever saw in your life. Because he came there and wanted to pick me up. We were going to go to one of their gigs. Yeah. And he looked, it was literally an 8x8 room. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
With a little step in and the... The sink was in the kitchen. I didn't even have a bath. They had a toilet and a tub and the whole bath. It was funky, but it was up in the hills. So I did, I was peaceful. This is 1984. And I go up there and I had the only thing I'd ever afforded myself, you know, living out here and be able to buy. Yeah, he goes,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er sagt, das ist Eddie Schreiber, der ist in der Kapitale. Ich sagte, ich weiß es nicht, aber komm mal her. Er fährt über die Straße. Er ruft Eddie und sagt, hey, Dwight hat was. Er sagt, wo lebt er? Was? Ich bin unglaublich. Ich rufe ihn an. Der Ingenieur. Ja, Capital. Ich frage ihn um seine Basis-Feedback. Ich sitze da und sage, nein, Mann. Der Tag geht vorbei. Ich höre diese Tracks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Pete kommt und sagt, Eddie, du sollst... He's like, no, listen, I just listened to it again. I put it on. He goes, I've got a copy. It's fine. Two days later, phone rings at Pete's. He goes, hey man, it's Eddie. He said, holy shit. He goes, they just went down the hall.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I can't remember the guy, the oldest engineer, mastering engineer at Capitol is four bays down from, I don't know if you've ever been to Capitol Studios. You gotta go. If they open back up, go. Because Les Paul designed the echo chambers. They're underneath the parking lot. And the Studio B at Capitol is one of the greatest recording. If you go in there and burp, it sounds like a record. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But you better be good, because whatever you do, it's gonna sound like it's on a record. And if it ain't good, it's gonna sound like it ain't good on a record. So, down the other end of the hall was an L-shaped set of these mastering rooms. Er sagte, ich ging runter und... Was war sein Name? Ich ging in sein Zimmer, um etwas anderes zu hören, und habe einen Lack aufgemacht. Verdammt!
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er sagte, mein Zimmer wurde in vier Monaten nicht getun. Ich hätte es nie so lange lassen sollen. Er sagte, ich habe eine Bassfrequenz, die nicht funktioniert. Er sagte, gib Dwight's Rekord zurück, komm zurück! Ich muss es wiederholen. Ich ging rein und klar, er hat recht. Da ist eine Frequenz auf zwei von den Tracks. Es ist wie... Es kamen meine kleinen Lautec-Lansing-Hörer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Wie hat das den Eindruck gemacht, wie du diesen gedreht hast? Hörer, die zuhören. Was haben wir danach gemacht? Als wir angefangen haben zu mixen, bin ich in den Auto gegangen und sitze mit einem Kassett-Tape. Und mit CDs sitze ich mit einem CD. und wieder spielen, weil ich Dinge in meinem Auto fangen würde, die wir in der Wohnung nicht fangen würden. Es klingt rockig und großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
David Leonard wurde der erste Pro-Mixer. Dusty Wakeman war unser Ingenieur auf dem ersten Album und er würde mixen. Und das ist, was du gewohnt bist. Und dann hat Pete gesagt, bei unserem dritten Album, Actually, the fourth album, he said, you know, I think we need to get one of these guys, and we did David Leonard, that are just mixing, they're specialists now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's almost like having a, you know, for medicine, a specialist comes in. He only does the snip here and that there and goes, close them up. You know, a specialist. And that's what mixing engineers have become. Chris Lord-Alge is one. They focus on mixing records. And that's what they do. They don't track anymore. So we started that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And even with David, I would catch stuff in my car that he wouldn't. So Chris Lord-Alge and I started doing records together a few years ago. And he, when I... Ja. Ja. Er sagt, ich bin seriös, wir bringen das auf einen Trailer, damit du in der Parkplatte sitzt und hörst. Ich sagte, nein, wir brauchen das nicht. Ich sagte, der Welt lebt nicht mehr da, Chris, es sind MP3s.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Spotify, jeder hört durch Earphones. Er sagt, nein, Chris, du hast Superstitionen. Wir kommen da hin und ich sage, in der ersten Strecke, die wir vermischen, und er wusste es nicht, ich weiß nicht, ob du es weißt, JBL stellt diese Bluetooth-Hörer aus. Ja. It's the smallest of those. It's monaural even. It looks like a donut and it clips on. You can just clip it on your bike.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I have one of those and I started listing on that next to the phone, which if you hold an iPhone 14 vertically, it's mono. If you flip it horizontally, it becomes stereo. So I'm listing and I don't tell him until about three mixes in. Denn er hat eine Ghetto-Blatt, wir hören das, wie das Oraton-Ding. Und er sagt, du willst nicht das Auto und die CD bringen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich sage, nein, ich bin in Ordnung, wir werden in Ordnung sein. Und dann habe ich es ihm gezeigt. Ich habe gesagt, ich habe das auf dem Weg nach Hause gehört. Ich werde dich verlassen, ich fahre und ich gebe dir meine Noten. The next day I go in, the next day to mix again, he's got two of them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
When I started playing it that way, he realized, wow, like they said, this is how the world's going to hear it. Like Fogarty said to you, that's what they're going to hear. And the Beatles, if you listen to those mono records and even the stereo, it's like Ja. Ja. Und das Album der Blue Ridge Rangers, wie ist das? Der Solo-Rekord, den er gemacht hat, hör dir das an.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Aber Fogarty, als er sich über die Arme von Saul bricht, die anderen drei ausbauten, und sie votierten gegen ihn, weil er wusste, er hat gesagt, ich habe mich verpackt. records for fantasy. That's where he worked. That's how they got their deal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because he worked in the record company packing boxes and shipping. He was in the shipping department. So the Blue Rangers record? So, well, he leaves when they break up in 73 and he goes and does a solo album. Look up John Furry, Blue Ridge Rangers. Okay. And it's him doing... Merle Haggard, today I started loving you again. He does working on a building, the old gospel thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He's doing all this. He goes, Hank Laughlin, please help me. I'm falling in love with you. It's Fogarty doing that and playing everything himself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Cosmos Factory album? I became... Einer der Albums, die ich mit dem Fahrrad nach Rinks gekauft habe. Das war wie bei Target. Und sie hatten einen Rekord-Shop. Der Gitarre von Come Around the Bend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Oh mein Gott. Sein Ton und wie du gesagt hast, das Royal Albert Hall-Stuff. There's an innocence to John and the band when they were interviewing them about being in Europe and they're looking around like, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
A lot like the Beatles in that there are a bunch of guys, tough from Liverpool, who aren't Londonites. They're not the Stones. They're not sophisticated. They're not guys that went to, I mean, John went to art college, but not really. I mean, you've got Ringo and George. Die Katzen, weißt du? Also da ist eine Liebe. Wenn du GIT BACK schaust, eine 8-Hour-Dokumentation. Das ist verrückt, Alter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Die erste Stunde und eine halbe war ich erschrocken. Ich habe gesagt, wie lange geht das? Ich bin wie ein Pferd auf der Wand. Und dann realisierst du, was du schaust. Und du gehst. Ich habe den Publikum gesagt, wenn du etwas Gutes sehen willst, du liebst Musik, schau GIT BACK. Ja. Ich sagte, nicht Angst, es sind acht Stunden, die du niemals sparen wirst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And they're from a four block, they're like siblings. It's like Tom, Ferdinand, John and the guys, they're all from the East Bay, they're from within a four block radius.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And bands that go to New York, guys that meet each other in L.A., you know, from all over, they're never locked like that. That's crazy. The only bands that are, are siblings.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah. Oh my God. He sanded that down from a sunburst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That's the one that he and George are playing on the Budokan. Yeah. The bootleg video. Oh, really? Oh, those are those Epiphones. And he sanded his blonde. I know. It's great. And that's the famous...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich bin überrascht, dass du so hören würdest. Ich hoffe, dass die Leute wissen... I love music because it's the only thing, well, one of the only things, not the only thing. Paintings can do it. Art. Art, when it's executed well, can do it. Visual art, but also theatrical art, film art, storytelling art. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
understand and physicists are now discovering this more and more every day about the universality of our existence that, wow, we all share space outside of ourselves, somewhere other. Do you know what I mean? And music is that. Sure, it's magic. So that's my goal, is that Ich bin 13 Jahre alt, bin in einer Garage, versuche, zu sein, der Typ, den ich auf TV gesehen habe, der Typ, den ich sah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Dave Edmonds, Dave Edmonds. Also, T-Rex, was du hörst, ich habe mal mit David Bowie gesprochen, er hat mich gefreut, dass ich ein Fan bin, was ich tue, wir haben uns kennengelernt und ich habe gesagt, du bist ein Fan von Mark Mullen, und er hat gesagt, oh Gott. Und er sagte, es ist nicht, wer es zuerst macht, der alle Kredite bekommt, sondern wer es zu zweit macht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er sagte, Mark, weil es ist das Top of the Pops-Show, wo er und Elton John mit Mark sitzen. Elton spielt Piano und sie machen Bang-a-Gong mit Mark. Aber der erste von ihnen war Hot Love. Ja. But T-Rex, the guitar sound on Bang A Gong. Dave Edmonds. And then later Rockpile and The Pretenders. Dave produces the first, I think, three albums of The Pretenders. Dave Edmonds. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und Nick Lowe mit Elvis Costello. Ja. Das ganze Ding. Ich gravitate mehr sofort in eine neue Wave, weil es noch war. Und der Klatsch. Ja. Und ich habe den Klatsch mit Ralph Stanley, von allen Leuten. Und Ralph wusste nicht, was wir in Train and Bane gemacht haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Weil als ich das zuerst gehört habe, war ich auf dem Boden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Like every fucking one, dude. Thank you for saying so, but it's just... It's an homage to everything that I loved about music. The stuff you and I have touched on. The ricochet of our musical memory. Great job. Thank you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, I did talk, didn't I? Well, you did. I never got back to Alaska and I'm going to right now. Okay. You and I began with me asking you, where are you from? Alaska. Okay. Okay. When he says that, he goes... It was red-headed Lil who was singing a tune. We did the Eskimo hop all around the saloon. And it's like, the hook on it is when it's springtime in Alaska, it's 40 below.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, it sounds like you gotta get up there. I probably do. At some point. It's great to talk to you, Mark, and thanks for having me. You bet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Grew up out in New Mexico. Your family moved out there when you were a kid?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Waren Sie in Alaska vor dem? Ja, zwei Jahre. Das ist wild.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Was war das? Ich meine, Sie waren wahrscheinlich sechs, sieben Jahre alt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Oh, nein, nein, nein, nein. Sechs oder sieben. Das ist ein großer Imprint.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
No, there's nothing. I've never been to Alaska. I've been to the Northwest Territory of Canada, which is also, there's no roads. The roads stop when you get in northern Alberta. There's a dirt road and then there's no road.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I've got a shot of the exterior temperature. I forget what it was. Amount below one day when we were touring up and we were in Winnipeg. But I'm fascinated with Alaska, you know, in terms of just the edge of the earth. Never been there. Someday. They've offered shows. It just didn't work out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Es ist ziemlich klein, Fairbanks. It was a history major in college or whatever. Johnny Horton wrote the theme song to a movie that John Wayne did, North to Alaska.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Big Sam left Seattle in the year of 92 with George Pratt, his partner. And he would do this yodel break. And his brother Billy, too, they crossed the Yukon River, found the bonanza gold. About the whole Yukon story, all the gold rush. Is it gold rush? In Alaska. Yeah. Beneath that old white mountain, just a little southeast of Nome. So I started listening to this.