Friedberg

I think a good place for us to pivot would be the border. And just talking about this issue, more from first principles. When President Trump came on the podcast, we talked about, hey, maybe really talented people, we should recruit them to our country and give them green cards. But very quickly, your group walked that back a bit.

It's such a political hot potato, and it doesn't seem to me that it needs to be, but you've spent a lot of time in government now. Why can't politicians just do what 80% of the country wants, which is allow very talented people into the country, close the border and make it like a more point-based system like Canada, Australia and everybody else.

It's such a political hot potato, and it doesn't seem to me that it needs to be, but you've spent a lot of time in government now. Why can't politicians just do what 80% of the country wants, which is allow very talented people into the country, close the border and make it like a more point-based system like Canada, Australia and everybody else.

Like, why is this so weaponized by both of your parties?

Like, why is this so weaponized by both of your parties?

And I'll add another one, guilt.

And I'll add another one, guilt.

I just have one final on this topic, which is your plan is to deport tens of millions of these people. Tell us how that will happen practically. How are you going to take a million of people, put them in cuffs, drag them out while people have their cell phones out recording this? Or is that just Trump being Trump?

I just have one final on this topic, which is your plan is to deport tens of millions of these people. Tell us how that will happen practically. How are you going to take a million of people, put them in cuffs, drag them out while people have their cell phones out recording this? Or is that just Trump being Trump?

In fairness, J.D. told me, J.D. told me, ask the hard questions, please. I want to address them head on.

In fairness, J.D. told me, J.D. told me, ask the hard questions, please. I want to address them head on.

You will face the hard questions. So back to the question.

You will face the hard questions. So back to the question.

Let me ask a national security question. There's a lot of videos. Elon's gone down there. Bobby Kennedy's gone down there. You've gone down there. Sure. And the interdictions are not necessarily coming from countries in Central and South America anymore. They're coming from places near around near Asia and a lot of places that you wouldn't normally think people coming from, Middle East, et cetera.

Let me ask a national security question. There's a lot of videos. Elon's gone down there. Bobby Kennedy's gone down there. You've gone down there. Sure. And the interdictions are not necessarily coming from countries in Central and South America anymore. They're coming from places near around near Asia and a lot of places that you wouldn't normally think people coming from, Middle East, et cetera.

From a national security perspective, what do we think is happening? Why is that happening?

From a national security perspective, what do we think is happening? Why is that happening?

Maybe final question, but you said something which I thought was incredibly well said, so I just want to repeat it. When U.S. growth is 1% and 2%, everybody's fighting. Exactly. But when U.S. growth is 4% to 5%, everybody prospers.

Maybe final question, but you said something which I thought was incredibly well said, so I just want to repeat it. When U.S. growth is 1% and 2%, everybody's fighting. Exactly. But when U.S. growth is 4% to 5%, everybody prospers.

Can you walk us through just how you think about how we get that extra 200 or 300 basis points of growth and where you need to have less regulation so that you can have more entrepreneurship or more regulation to kind of constrain folks?