George Cozma

It had a very basic and bare bones AVX 512 implementation. But that's fine.

It had a very basic and bare bones AVX 512 implementation. But that's fine.

Well, here's the thing, right? It's an old part, absolutely. But Intel bought the team and It was essentially an AccuHire. They got the folks from Centaur three years ago. Oh, so this is a recent thing.

Well, here's the thing, right? It's an old part, absolutely. But Intel bought the team and It was essentially an AccuHire. They got the folks from Centaur three years ago. Oh, so this is a recent thing.

No, no, no. So Centaur was broken up essentially in 2021, as the Wikipedia article says. VIA still has x86 licensing, but the Centaur team isn't at VIA anymore.

No, no, no. So Centaur was broken up essentially in 2021, as the Wikipedia article says. VIA still has x86 licensing, but the Centaur team isn't at VIA anymore.

I'm talking about a chip that was due for release in 2022.

I'm talking about a chip that was due for release in 2022.

But was canceled just before launch.

But was canceled just before launch.

The iceberg. The iceberg broke the line. So VIA, who was the parent company, basically shuttered the Austin headquarters. And the team was acquired by Intel for $125 million. That's a hell of an acquirer. Yeah. Here's the thing.

The iceberg. The iceberg broke the line. So VIA, who was the parent company, basically shuttered the Austin headquarters. And the team was acquired by Intel for $125 million. That's a hell of an acquirer. Yeah. Here's the thing.

was expecting it and it was very um the amount of information that has been shared about it has been close to zero interesting and if you ask anyone that formerly was there they they don't say anything it's it's kind of weird okay interesting and so then in via i didn't realize that via was an x86 license holder

was expecting it and it was very um the amount of information that has been shared about it has been close to zero interesting and if you ask anyone that formerly was there they they don't say anything it's it's kind of weird okay interesting and so then in via i didn't realize that via was an x86 license holder

So they had licenses from IDT, which is what Centaur used to be, and Cyrex, because they acquired Cyrex. Right. So they had licensing, and I think they still technically do, which is how Zhaoxin, which is a Chinese x86 manufacturer, has the ability to make x86 CPUs, which that's a whole history in and of itself.

So they had licenses from IDT, which is what Centaur used to be, and Cyrex, because they acquired Cyrex. Right. So they had licensing, and I think they still technically do, which is how Zhaoxin, which is a Chinese x86 manufacturer, has the ability to make x86 CPUs, which that's a whole history in and of itself.

But the reason why I brought them up is because what was supposed to be their newest course, CNS, was supposed to have had ABX 512 capabilities, but it was a very bare-bones implementation of ABX 512.

But the reason why I brought them up is because what was supposed to be their newest course, CNS, was supposed to have had ABX 512 capabilities, but it was a very bare-bones implementation of ABX 512.

And if the eCourse had had a bare-bones implementation,

And if the eCourse had had a bare-bones implementation,

Yeah. Alexander Yee, the creator of Y Cruncher, did a very good write-up on Zen 5's AVX 5.12 implementation. Oh, yeah. And he went very, very into it and basically said, yeah, this is the best AVX 5.12 implementation so far.

Yeah. Alexander Yee, the creator of Y Cruncher, did a very good write-up on Zen 5's AVX 5.12 implementation. Oh, yeah. And he went very, very into it and basically said, yeah, this is the best AVX 5.12 implementation so far.

That's part of it. Another part is just the increase in the number of registers. They doubled the number of registers. Yeah. They made a lot of ops single cycle, which is nice. There were some trade-offs that were made. Some of the integer stuff was made to cycle, which was a bit of a cavity in the tooth, so to speak, fly in the ointment. But other than that, it's...

That's part of it. Another part is just the increase in the number of registers. They doubled the number of registers. Yeah. They made a lot of ops single cycle, which is nice. There were some trade-offs that were made. Some of the integer stuff was made to cycle, which was a bit of a cavity in the tooth, so to speak, fly in the ointment. But other than that, it's...

The way that AMD can just not have to... So with Intel, you always had that sort of clock offset where if you run any AVX-512 code, you would suddenly decrease in your clocks, right? AMD doesn't have that. How they accomplish that, I have no idea. But you can throw in AVX-512 instructions and...

The way that AMD can just not have to... So with Intel, you always had that sort of clock offset where if you run any AVX-512 code, you would suddenly decrease in your clocks, right? AMD doesn't have that. How they accomplish that, I have no idea. But you can throw in AVX-512 instructions and...

thermal and power, um, like clock speed, um, pullback, it won't have this turbo clock thing where you have, where, where if you introduce any AVX 512 instructions, even if they're just loaded store instructions. they'll decrease the CPU clock regardless. You don't have that with Zen 5 or Zen 4 for that matter.

thermal and power, um, like clock speed, um, pullback, it won't have this turbo clock thing where you have, where, where if you introduce any AVX 512 instructions, even if they're just loaded store instructions. they'll decrease the CPU clock regardless. You don't have that with Zen 5 or Zen 4 for that matter.

Yeah. It's, How do I put this? So I think what Zen... And if you read the initial sort of coverage of Turin... Sorry, not of Turin, of Granite Rapids. So that's Intel's newest Xeon chip.

Yeah. It's, How do I put this? So I think what Zen... And if you read the initial sort of coverage of Turin... Sorry, not of Turin, of Granite Rapids. So that's Intel's newest Xeon chip.

They're... All the coverage was like, yeah, it's good. It competes with Genoa. But we were all briefed before this. And we were just sort of thinking, yeah, but is this actually going to compete with what's coming up next? And it's, let's put it this way. At least AMD isn't competing with itself anymore, if you get what I mean. But it's not a good competition for Intel.

They're... All the coverage was like, yeah, it's good. It competes with Genoa. But we were all briefed before this. And we were just sort of thinking, yeah, but is this actually going to compete with what's coming up next? And it's, let's put it this way. At least AMD isn't competing with itself anymore, if you get what I mean. But it's not a good competition for Intel.

Like, it's not a winning one for Intel. They can at least bid on something and not be laughed immediately out of the room, but...

Like, it's not a winning one for Intel. They can at least bid on something and not be laughed immediately out of the room, but...

And the fact that there's only two 500-watt SKUs. I actually really like that. The fact that while they are going up to that 500 watt skew, they're only really leaving it for the highest end parts. Whereas everything else is 400 or below. And I really actually respect that.

And the fact that there's only two 500-watt SKUs. I actually really like that. The fact that while they are going up to that 500 watt skew, they're only really leaving it for the highest end parts. Whereas everything else is 400 or below. And I really actually respect that.

Yeah, yeah. It has... 400 watts is still a large amount of power, no doubt. But if you remember the slide that AMD showed with a seven to one consolidation. If you could do that, right? If you can go from a thousand racks of 8280s to 131 racks of- Oxide, what?

Yeah, yeah. It has... 400 watts is still a large amount of power, no doubt. But if you remember the slide that AMD showed with a seven to one consolidation. If you could do that, right? If you can go from a thousand racks of 8280s to 131 racks of- Oxide, what?

Good to be back. Excited to be here.

Good to be back. Excited to be here.

Yeah, but if you can do that reduction, even though the single SKU power has gone up, your total power savings has gone, like your total power of the data center has gone down.

Yeah, but if you can do that reduction, even though the single SKU power has gone up, your total power savings has gone, like your total power of the data center has gone down.

It was obviously a lot more focused towards the high end. Yeah. Like it was very much skewed, pun intended, towards the hyperscalers, right? Towards those people who can take that much power and just not care. But I think especially with the Turin SKU stack, I think it's a lot more sort of a refresh across the board. Yeah. Which is really good. Yeah.

It was obviously a lot more focused towards the high end. Yeah. Like it was very much skewed, pun intended, towards the hyperscalers, right? Towards those people who can take that much power and just not care. But I think especially with the Turin SKU stack, I think it's a lot more sort of a refresh across the board. Yeah. Which is really good. Yeah.

No. I've noticed that Hacker News has been picking us up more and more. That's great. And... Ironically enough, so we recently moved over to Substack and we noticed that Seemingly, the SEO for Substack is a lot better. So that article got a lot more traction.

No. I've noticed that Hacker News has been picking us up more and more. That's great. And... Ironically enough, so we recently moved over to Substack and we noticed that Seemingly, the SEO for Substack is a lot better. So that article got a lot more traction.

So it being at the top of multiple sites, aggregator sites, doesn't surprise me.

So it being at the top of multiple sites, aggregator sites, doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, basically what AMD has said is there's these 500-watt SKUs But if you are an end user, like if you're a small-medium business and you bought, say, four Turret servers from Dell or whoever, don't just swap out the chips.

Yeah, basically what AMD has said is there's these 500-watt SKUs But if you are an end user, like if you're a small-medium business and you bought, say, four Turret servers from Dell or whoever, don't just swap out the chips.

And you can get some very weird, weird, bizarre behavior that you're just going, why is it doing this? And you'll tear your hair out for a week trying to figure it out. And it's just because of the power.

And you can get some very weird, weird, bizarre behavior that you're just going, why is it doing this? And you'll tear your hair out for a week trying to figure it out. And it's just because of the power.

You know, this could be... Yeah, and what's funny was the video actually did really well.

You know, this could be... Yeah, and what's funny was the video actually did really well.

Yeah. Oh, so there was the video part of the article.

Yeah. Oh, so there was the video part of the article.

And most... What I've noticed is that, so you guys can't see the like ratio, but it currently has a 100% like ratio.

And most... What I've noticed is that, so you guys can't see the like ratio, but it currently has a 100% like ratio.

Yeah. And with the voltages that current server CPUs are running, you're having, at those 800-watt spikes, it's not 800 amps. It's 1,000-plus amps, which means more power stages.

Yeah. And with the voltages that current server CPUs are running, you're having, at those 800-watt spikes, it's not 800 amps. It's 1,000-plus amps, which means more power stages.

Yes.

Yes.

So actually, sort of the thing sort of related but unrelated to TURN directly at the event that was announced was Pensando, new Pensando stuff.

So actually, sort of the thing sort of related but unrelated to TURN directly at the event that was announced was Pensando, new Pensando stuff.

And I sort of want your take on this.

And I sort of want your take on this.

It's not YouTube.

It's not YouTube.

I don't know if you saw these Adam, but it was just like, I have, I think a lot of it is because like, I mean, we, what, last month or just the month before Anand Tech closed?

I don't know if you saw these Adam, but it was just like, I have, I think a lot of it is because like, I mean, we, what, last month or just the month before Anand Tech closed?

So speaking of how you guys don't want to do DPs, because AMD didn't just announce DP, which is Pensando Selena 400. They also announced Polara, which I think is just a standard NIC. Like it's P4, but it's not a DPU.

So speaking of how you guys don't want to do DPs, because AMD didn't just announce DP, which is Pensando Selena 400. They also announced Polara, which I think is just a standard NIC. Like it's P4, but it's not a DPU.

Okay. Yeah. Cause I was going to say, is that the one that you're more interested in?

Okay. Yeah. Cause I was going to say, is that the one that you're more interested in?

For the last time, a lot of the older folks like Ace Hardware Review, Real World Tech, David Cantor doesn't really write anymore. So a lot of the in-depth stuff has sort of disappeared over time.

For the last time, a lot of the older folks like Ace Hardware Review, Real World Tech, David Cantor doesn't really write anymore. So a lot of the in-depth stuff has sort of disappeared over time.

yeah um and i know you guys as were a lot of us disappointed with uh intel discontinuing the tofino line of switches.

yeah um and i know you guys as were a lot of us disappointed with uh intel discontinuing the tofino line of switches.

Yes. But yeah. And one question I have One question I have with AMD is, does it make sense for them to make their own Switch eventually?

Yes. But yeah. And one question I have One question I have with AMD is, does it make sense for them to make their own Switch eventually?

It's now UA Link.

It's now UA Link.

Which, ironically enough, Intel is now a part of.

Which, ironically enough, Intel is now a part of.

More so that I think people want an alternative to... That really goes in depth.

More so that I think people want an alternative to... That really goes in depth.

So that was Y Cruncher. a hundred billion, uh, BPT, uh, B, B, B, B, B, excuse me. It's hard to say. Um, but basically it, it, All it does is it's a compute benchmark. So it just wants as many threads and as high clocks as you can get. It's not memory bound at all. But the prior record at the time of that video was about 10 seconds. And that was a sub five second result.

So that was Y Cruncher. a hundred billion, uh, BPT, uh, B, B, B, B, B, excuse me. It's hard to say. Um, but basically it, it, All it does is it's a compute benchmark. So it just wants as many threads and as high clocks as you can get. It's not memory bound at all. But the prior record at the time of that video was about 10 seconds. And that was a sub five second result.

And I see Jordan in the chat or as one of the audience members, he was running it with someone else in the room, Jeff from Graph Computing. And I was doing my video and I see him in my eye trying to wave this laptop.

And I see Jordan in the chat or as one of the audience members, he was running it with someone else in the room, Jeff from Graph Computing. And I was doing my video and I see him in my eye trying to wave this laptop.

So I know when I was first booting my 9950X system, I put in the dims, I turned it on, I went, grabbed a cup of coffee, came back,

So I know when I was first booting my 9950X system, I put in the dims, I turned it on, I went, grabbed a cup of coffee, came back,

It's really funny that you guys are talking about like three megabaud and whatnot, because, so slight tangent. So I used to work, back when I was in college, I used to work at the on-campus observatory. And there was a data uplink from the observatory to the lab, which was about a mile and a half distance. It was still running 800 baud for some serial connection.

It's really funny that you guys are talking about like three megabaud and whatnot, because, so slight tangent. So I used to work, back when I was in college, I used to work at the on-campus observatory. And there was a data uplink from the observatory to the lab, which was about a mile and a half distance. It was still running 800 baud for some serial connection.

Yes, yes.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, but mind you, this was just a, all it was was basically just the go signal to start the power up for everything.

Yeah, but mind you, this was just a, all it was was basically just the go signal to start the power up for everything.

Yeah, so basically you would send the message and then you would either walk or drive up And by the time you got there, it was done. But it was like, and then, and then the way that you had to connect to all of it was through a, through a BBS.

Yeah, so basically you would send the message and then you would either walk or drive up And by the time you got there, it was done. But it was like, and then, and then the way that you had to connect to all of it was through a, through a BBS.

Speaking of sort of... Again, sort of a question to you guys, because this is stuff that I... I know a lot more about CPUs and GPUs than I do sort of the networking and the sort of lower level intricacies of all this.

Speaking of sort of... Again, sort of a question to you guys, because this is stuff that I... I know a lot more about CPUs and GPUs than I do sort of the networking and the sort of lower level intricacies of all this.

Yeah. But sort of, So I asked you this back when I was in San Francisco meeting you guys in person. What do you think of sort of the updates to OpenSeal and how that's been going to get rid of AGESA?

Yeah. But sort of, So I asked you this back when I was in San Francisco meeting you guys in person. What do you think of sort of the updates to OpenSeal and how that's been going to get rid of AGESA?

Sort of three things here, if you don't mind. Um, What surprised me most about Turrent specifically was one, the fact that they hit five gigahertz on some SKUs.

Sort of three things here, if you don't mind. Um, What surprised me most about Turrent specifically was one, the fact that they hit five gigahertz on some SKUs.

Yeah, because I know when we last talked about OpenCell, it was very much in sort of the initial stage of it being ramped up and what was happening with it. It does seem like AMD is adopting more open standards with regards to sort of, because they also announced Calibra, which is open source root of trust stuff.

Yeah, because I know when we last talked about OpenCell, it was very much in sort of the initial stage of it being ramped up and what was happening with it. It does seem like AMD is adopting more open standards with regards to sort of, because they also announced Calibra, which is open source root of trust stuff.

On a server CPU. Yeah. But not just hit five gigahertz. Like I wrote in the article, Wendell from Level One Text in a essentially web server workload was hitting 4.9 gigahertz all core. That's nutty. That's utterly, utterly nutty.

On a server CPU. Yeah. But not just hit five gigahertz. Like I wrote in the article, Wendell from Level One Text in a essentially web server workload was hitting 4.9 gigahertz all core. That's nutty. That's utterly, utterly nutty.

Well, not just populating it, the fact of having that channel, right? So for Turret, it's 6,000 up to 6,400 with validation, but 6,000 with one DPC. 4,400 with two DPC, and then 5,200 if you're running one DPC in a two DPC board. So the fact of just having that second channel, you're losing a whole bunch of your memory clocks.

Well, not just populating it, the fact of having that channel, right? So for Turret, it's 6,000 up to 6,400 with validation, but 6,000 with one DPC. 4,400 with two DPC, and then 5,200 if you're running one DPC in a two DPC board. So the fact of just having that second channel, you're losing a whole bunch of your memory clocks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, no, IBM C is the only, or really the only folks that do that sort of over five gigahertz consistently in server. Intel back in the day, if you remember those Black Ops CPUs, they were doing five gigahertz. And I believe that there was one, the last Oracle, Spark CPU, the M8, went up to five years. Did it really? But other than that, I'm having to draw upon some fairly niche CPUs here.

Well, no, IBM C is the only, or really the only folks that do that sort of over five gigahertz consistently in server. Intel back in the day, if you remember those Black Ops CPUs, they were doing five gigahertz. And I believe that there was one, the last Oracle, Spark CPU, the M8, went up to five years. Did it really? But other than that, I'm having to draw upon some fairly niche CPUs here.

Yeah, I think that the 12 channel, one DPC move is probably the right move. I do like that AMD is giving the option for a two DPC setup with all 12 channels. But I could definitely see how people would really want Especially if in the future we go to, say, 16 memory channels. There's no way you're doing 2 DPC on that. Right. Yeah. Right? We're going to have to go to 1 DPC.

Yeah, I think that the 12 channel, one DPC move is probably the right move. I do like that AMD is giving the option for a two DPC setup with all 12 channels. But I could definitely see how people would really want Especially if in the future we go to, say, 16 memory channels. There's no way you're doing 2 DPC on that. Right. Yeah. Right? We're going to have to go to 1 DPC.

Now, stuff like MR DIMMs can help with capacity and bring back that sort of 2-channel capacity or the capacity that 2 DIMMs per channel will get you. But... Yeah, I think the 2D PC has been, the writing has been on the wall for it for a long time now.

Now, stuff like MR DIMMs can help with capacity and bring back that sort of 2-channel capacity or the capacity that 2 DIMMs per channel will get you. But... Yeah, I think the 2D PC has been, the writing has been on the wall for it for a long time now.

Because Intel's MRDIMS on Granite Rapids is not the JDEC MRDIMS. They are different. It's essentially just MCRDIMS relabeled, which made me tear my hair out because they're not technically compatible standards.

Because Intel's MRDIMS on Granite Rapids is not the JDEC MRDIMS. They are different. It's essentially just MCRDIMS relabeled, which made me tear my hair out because they're not technically compatible standards.

So I wanted to scream and shout and let it all out as the famous song goes, because that was utterly infuriating to me because you're saying you have MR Dems, but they're not really MR Dems, the Jadak spec.

So I wanted to scream and shout and let it all out as the famous song goes, because that was utterly infuriating to me because you're saying you have MR Dems, but they're not really MR Dems, the Jadak spec.

The fact that what is effectively a mainstream CPU can do this is crazy. But add on to that, just... The fact that Zen 5C, so sort of those compact cores, have the full 512-bit FPU, I think that that's really impressive considering that they're sticking 16 of them into a single CCD now.

The fact that what is effectively a mainstream CPU can do this is crazy. But add on to that, just... The fact that Zen 5C, so sort of those compact cores, have the full 512-bit FPU, I think that that's really impressive considering that they're sticking 16 of them into a single CCD now.

I don't.

I don't.

So the 7900.

So the 7900.

The 9175F is a 16-core turn part up to 5 gigahertz. But it's 16 CCDs with one core per CCD. It's designed for EDA. It is. Absolutely.

The 9175F is a 16-core turn part up to 5 gigahertz. But it's 16 CCDs with one core per CCD. It's designed for EDA. It is. Absolutely.

Yeah, so the 9175F, I think for any EDA workloads, is sort of the torrent part for that. Then you have the 9575F, which to me feels like the drop-in replacement for all the OEMs for Genoa. You just take out all your Genoa chips and you put that in, and it's just...

Yeah, so the 9175F, I think for any EDA workloads, is sort of the torrent part for that. Then you have the 9575F, which to me feels like the drop-in replacement for all the OEMs for Genoa. You just take out all your Genoa chips and you put that in, and it's just...

Yeah, so here's the difference between Zen 5 and Zen 5C. From an architecture perspective, nothing. Until you hit L3, there's no difference. Now, are they on different nodes? Yes. Is there an Fmax difference? Yes. But the fact that they're still hitting 3.7...

Yeah, so here's the difference between Zen 5 and Zen 5C. From an architecture perspective, nothing. Until you hit L3, there's no difference. Now, are they on different nodes? Yes. Is there an Fmax difference? Yes. But the fact that they're still hitting 3.7...

You get better ST, so single thread and sort of low thread count workload performance to the 9654, so that's the top end Genoa SKU, but basically just as good multi-thread performance at similar power pulling, similar power numbers. So to me, that feels like the drop in replacement And then the big boys, the 9965 and the 9755.

You get better ST, so single thread and sort of low thread count workload performance to the 9654, so that's the top end Genoa SKU, but basically just as good multi-thread performance at similar power pulling, similar power numbers. So to me, that feels like the drop in replacement And then the big boys, the 9965 and the 9755.

Those are the top end big performance that the hyperscalers and all the... people who can use that power will grab. Right.

Those are the top end big performance that the hyperscalers and all the... people who can use that power will grab. Right.

Speaking of GPUs, something that wasn't covered in the media, even by us, was that when AMD gave their turn presentation to the media, While AI was a big part, they didn't just... When asked about HPC and FP64, they're like, yeah, we're absolutely supporting that. Do not worry. And that was sort of a big relief on my shoulders because it was like, thank God you're not just talking about AI.

Speaking of GPUs, something that wasn't covered in the media, even by us, was that when AMD gave their turn presentation to the media, While AI was a big part, they didn't just... When asked about HPC and FP64, they're like, yeah, we're absolutely supporting that. Do not worry. And that was sort of a big relief on my shoulders because it was like, thank God you're not just talking about AI.

Like, there's HPC going on here. There's more than just... like low data types, there's FP64 things happening, thankfully.

Like, there's HPC going on here. There's more than just... like low data types, there's FP64 things happening, thankfully.

So, so yeah, the, the 9575F was, was targeted towards sort of the head node for AI CPU that, that was its, what AMD was targeting it as. But I honestly think that in a general compute sense, it's, it's sort of the all rounder in my opinion. Yeah. Um, so.

So, so yeah, the, the 9575F was, was targeted towards sort of the head node for AI CPU that, that was its, what AMD was targeting it as. But I honestly think that in a general compute sense, it's, it's sort of the all rounder in my opinion. Yeah. Um, so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and sort of wrapping up with instinct because there was some, a lot of people were concerned about the APU chip, which I think you and I had talked about.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and sort of wrapping up with instinct because there was some, a lot of people were concerned about the APU chip, which I think you and I had talked about.

So I think there was some misunderstanding or was misheard in what was said Um, because when I, when I went and I asked for clarification after, uh, after the presentation, what it sounded like was. They aren't making APS every generation right now because their customers see sort of the X use as the AI chip and the ACE uses the HPC chip.

So I think there was some misunderstanding or was misheard in what was said Um, because when I, when I went and I asked for clarification after, uh, after the presentation, what it sounded like was. They aren't making APS every generation right now because their customers see sort of the X use as the AI chip and the ACE uses the HPC chip.

f max so that's your top clock is really impressive and the no difference is i think you're on what three nanometer for the 5c and four nanometer for the yes and five is that right yes these are all tsmc obviously so on their c cores they jumped uh 600 megahertz so from 3.1 to 3.7 um god that is amazing yeah yeah and and i there was a good point made and i think the biggest jump

f max so that's your top clock is really impressive and the no difference is i think you're on what three nanometer for the 5c and four nanometer for the yes and five is that right yes these are all tsmc obviously so on their c cores they jumped uh 600 megahertz so from 3.1 to 3.7 um god that is amazing yeah yeah and and i there was a good point made and i think the biggest jump

So all of the big hyperscalers are only looking at the X use. And it's like, when, when you have to fight between. The hyperscalers and this slightly more niche part, it's like, yeah, unfortunately that will win. But from what I was able to gather, they do see the APUs as the future for not just AI, but for HBC and moving forward. So they are continuing development. There's no ending going on.

So all of the big hyperscalers are only looking at the X use. And it's like, when, when you have to fight between. The hyperscalers and this slightly more niche part, it's like, yeah, unfortunately that will win. But from what I was able to gather, they do see the APUs as the future for not just AI, but for HBC and moving forward. So they are continuing development. There's no ending going on.

Just much like 3DVCache, That was announced that Turrent X is not coming. And it's because the cadences are different, and there's certain dials that you get to pick. so to speak.

Just much like 3DVCache, That was announced that Turrent X is not coming. And it's because the cadences are different, and there's certain dials that you get to pick. so to speak.

No, so this was something that I've been bugging them for a while about. And by the way, if you guys see an AMD MI300A dev kit come out, I'm going to claim some level of responsibility for that.

No, so this was something that I've been bugging them for a while about. And by the way, if you guys see an AMD MI300A dev kit come out, I'm going to claim some level of responsibility for that.

Yeah, I've been trying to get them to put that out and sell it on Newegg, like Ampere Computing sells their Altera Max bundle where it's the board and a CPU. I'm like, just sell that on Newegg for, I don't really care how much money, just have one.

Yeah, I've been trying to get them to put that out and sell it on Newegg, like Ampere Computing sells their Altera Max bundle where it's the board and a CPU. I'm like, just sell that on Newegg for, I don't really care how much money, just have one.

But yeah, I've been pushing them to do that. And in general, I've been pushing them as much as it's within my ability to fix certain parts of their software stack. Rock them.

But yeah, I've been pushing them to do that. And in general, I've been pushing them as much as it's within my ability to fix certain parts of their software stack. Rock them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. On the APU side in, in just in general on the sort of getting there. Cause the perennial problem for AMD has been software. And to the best of my ability, I've been trying to get through to them that they need to have Rockham support on every single piece of AMD. Anything that has the AMD logo on it should run Rockham.

Yeah. On the APU side in, in just in general on the sort of getting there. Cause the perennial problem for AMD has been software. And to the best of my ability, I've been trying to get through to them that they need to have Rockham support on every single piece of AMD. Anything that has the AMD logo on it should run Rockham.

With the one exception maybe being consoles, because those are a special little thing. But that's a different argument over there.

With the one exception maybe being consoles, because those are a special little thing. But that's a different argument over there.

in recent AMD history in terms of the server performance. It's not Zen 4 to Zen 5. It's Zen 4C to Zen 5C.

in recent AMD history in terms of the server performance. It's not Zen 4 to Zen 5. It's Zen 4C to Zen 5C.

And you know, we're, it helps not hearing it from, from, but if any AMD users are listening to this at, at super computing and at CES, I'm going to be harping on you guys.

And you know, we're, it helps not hearing it from, from, but if any AMD users are listening to this at, at super computing and at CES, I'm going to be harping on you guys.

I think that performance jump is far from... Like, I think that that's really, really exciting performance. But what I really like about Turret is not just that there's these big old high-end SKUs, the 128 and 192 core SKUs, but they've paid attention to this mid-range, right?

I think that performance jump is far from... Like, I think that that's really, really exciting performance. But what I really like about Turret is not just that there's these big old high-end SKUs, the 128 and 192 core SKUs, but they've paid attention to this mid-range, right?

With the 9575F, that's a high-frequency 64-core SKU that I was talking about that was getting 4.9 from Windows testing on all cores. I think that that sort of skew, the fact that they still are paying attention to sort of the mid-range is really good. It's expensive, no doubt, but... Yeah.

With the 9575F, that's a high-frequency 64-core SKU that I was talking about that was getting 4.9 from Windows testing on all cores. I think that that sort of skew, the fact that they still are paying attention to sort of the mid-range is really good. It's expensive, no doubt, but... Yeah.

So, Joe McCurry from AMD put it, economy cores. Economy cores. When he said that on stage, Ian and I were laughing for about five minutes straight.

So, Joe McCurry from AMD put it, economy cores. Economy cores. When he said that on stage, Ian and I were laughing for about five minutes straight.

And I... let's just say that's, that's something I've harped on Intel about is they really, the fact that they now have an ISA segmentation.

And I... let's just say that's, that's something I've harped on Intel about is they really, the fact that they now have an ISA segmentation.

It's bad. It's bad. Don't segment your ISA, please. Yeah. Like that's, that's how you shoot yourself in the foot. Something fierce.

It's bad. It's bad. Don't segment your ISA, please. Yeah. Like that's, that's how you shoot yourself in the foot. Something fierce.

Is that right? So on the client side, yes, that's true. On the server side, that's not correct. All server chips have the same cores. So there are two Xeon 6 lineups, the Xeon 6000Ps and the Xeon 6000Bs.

Is that right? So on the client side, yes, that's true. On the server side, that's not correct. All server chips have the same cores. So there are two Xeon 6 lineups, the Xeon 6000Ps and the Xeon 6000Bs.

and the p's are for the p cores there's no merger of yeah so just to be clear it's like it's like ryanair it's like all economy yes on this one but but the thing with that is and here's sort of the cleverness of zen 5 versus n5c and that is amd can just have one big skew stack and that's it yeah intel you need these two different skew stacks

and the p's are for the p cores there's no merger of yeah so just to be clear it's like it's like ryanair it's like all economy yes on this one but but the thing with that is and here's sort of the cleverness of zen 5 versus n5c and that is amd can just have one big skew stack and that's it yeah intel you need these two different skew stacks

And it can start getting confusing with what has what and where.

And it can start getting confusing with what has what and where.

The thing here is I think the area would be, even if it was a bare bones implementation, I don't know if you guys remember Centaur, Centaur CNS. That was, if you guys remember VIA, that was a VIA CPU that never actually hit market, but you were able to test Um, thanks to a couple of guys who acquired some during the Centaur, uh, buyout days about three years ago. Um.

The thing here is I think the area would be, even if it was a bare bones implementation, I don't know if you guys remember Centaur, Centaur CNS. That was, if you guys remember VIA, that was a VIA CPU that never actually hit market, but you were able to test Um, thanks to a couple of guys who acquired some during the Centaur, uh, buyout days about three years ago. Um.