Greg Jackson

It was someone who isn't environmentalist or anything like that, and they told me the joy

about their electric car because there's a retired couple who bought a tiny electric car.

He said, we've had it a year and a half and we've only paid for charging once.

Because they charge while they're at a supermarket.

They charge on the super cheap tariff at home.

They've only charged out of home once and paid for it.

And I think as people like that tell those stories, actually, the lived experience beats the techno-optimism.

We are now building homes.

We signed deals in eight of the biggest house builders in the UK to build homes where there will never be an energy bill because of a combination of heat pump, battery, and solar panels, and then use some technology to optimize that with the grid.

Yeah, but I think, look, we've got to remember, take the internet, which we've both referenced multiple times as an analogy, right?

It originally came out from a military objective, which was how to maintain secure communications, even in wartime conditions.

The whole idea was how to create a self-healing distributed network.

Then it kind of merged with the academic world, where you could use it to join education institutions in higher education for research purposes.

But when the private sector got hold of that technology, they were able to say, here's how we can use it to drive down costs, to create new products and services, to kind of revolutionize many parts of the commercial world.

And it's very similar to this, which is, look, policymakers create the subsidiary regimes and the policy regimes

that first created the innovations that enabled us to get solar and wind and battery to anything like a kind of realistic, scalable solution.

But now, in the hands of the private sector, we're able to innovate stuff that is better for consumers.

And I don't in any way

kind of begrudge the messaging around climate because that's what got us here now.

But what has gifted us are innovations that can transform one of the most important sectors of our economy.