Ian Dunt

So also, can I just say the part of that is the flaw in the whole project. If I have to sit down right now and summarise to you conservatism, liberalism or socialism in one sentence, I can do that, right? It's a one sentence definition. There's loads of variation within that and loads of stuff to argue about, whatever. But you can do it. You can just describe it. You cannot do that with tension.

So also, can I just say the part of that is the flaw in the whole project. If I have to sit down right now and summarise to you conservatism, liberalism or socialism in one sentence, I can do that, right? It's a one sentence definition. There's loads of variation within that and loads of stuff to argue about, whatever. But you can do it. You can just describe it. You cannot do that with tension.

And that usually is a sign that I think you have a significant problem in your conceptual framework, basically. If you have to spend like a 45-minute very pleasant podcast sort of going... And at the end of it, someone's like, still not sure. There's a problem with the whole idea. And I totally get that. It's not...

And that usually is a sign that I think you have a significant problem in your conceptual framework, basically. If you have to spend like a 45-minute very pleasant podcast sort of going... And at the end of it, someone's like, still not sure. There's a problem with the whole idea. And I totally get that. It's not...

It's not like Blair would sometimes claim it has as proud a heritage, you know, as the people, you know, as the socialists and the blah, blah, blah. It does not, right? It is not on that standing. Does that mean that it's like completely without value? No, I think like really not.

It's not like Blair would sometimes claim it has as proud a heritage, you know, as the people, you know, as the socialists and the blah, blah, blah. It does not, right? It is not on that standing. Does that mean that it's like completely without value? No, I think like really not.

So I agree with you, right? And also, by the way, and I think in political people, like whether they're in broadcasting or whether they listen to sort of political podcasts or whether they're in politics, they tend to hate centrism specifically because they're usually people who have a very strong opinion either way, right? Voters don't feel that way.

So I agree with you, right? And also, by the way, and I think in political people, like whether they're in broadcasting or whether they listen to sort of political podcasts or whether they're in politics, they tend to hate centrism specifically because they're usually people who have a very strong opinion either way, right? Voters don't feel that way.

Voters, almost every time you ask them, what do you want from a political budget? I want them to be quite centrist. I think of myself as quite centrist. And then you're like, really, what are your views on capital punishment? Love it. You know, whatever. People would like, they like the word.

Voters, almost every time you ask them, what do you want from a political budget? I want them to be quite centrist. I think of myself as quite centrist. And then you're like, really, what are your views on capital punishment? Love it. You know, whatever. People would like, they like the word.

Yes, exactly. That's exactly what it is. However, let me say what the danger is in the alternative. Like, people would often say, someone who just has the same principles their entire life, they'd be like, oh, they're so consistent. You know, like, I really value them. They're so consistent. I always think... Are they? Or are they just not thinking? You know what I mean?

Yes, exactly. That's exactly what it is. However, let me say what the danger is in the alternative. Like, people would often say, someone who just has the same principles their entire life, they'd be like, oh, they're so consistent. You know, like, I really value them. They're so consistent. I always think... Are they? Or are they just not thinking? You know what I mean?

Are they just kind of like, just, they're unchallenged on whatever political views they developed at like, you know, 20 in university or whatever. And then they just go through life, you know, just not allowing any new evidence or arguments to change them. Most of the time when I see, you see it in the Conservative Party right now, you saw it, you know, you see it in Labour periodically.

Are they just kind of like, just, they're unchallenged on whatever political views they developed at like, you know, 20 in university or whatever. And then they just go through life, you know, just not allowing any new evidence or arguments to change them. Most of the time when I see, you see it in the Conservative Party right now, you saw it, you know, you see it in Labour periodically.

When they're defeated at the ballot box, it's all gone wrong. It's not like all those Tory leadership candidates that are there are being like, shit, what's really happened here? How do we… They retreat into this kind of ideological bunker and be like, you know what we didn't do? Enough conservatism.

When they're defeated at the ballot box, it's all gone wrong. It's not like all those Tory leadership candidates that are there are being like, shit, what's really happened here? How do we… They retreat into this kind of ideological bunker and be like, you know what we didn't do? Enough conservatism.

That to me is even scarier than someone who goes, you know what, I just always need to be open to the evidence. I want to reject ideology. I accept the fact that I can't be certain. And I accept that sometimes that means people are going to have a hard time pinning me down and I can't always tell you what I do and do not want to compromise on.

That to me is even scarier than someone who goes, you know what, I just always need to be open to the evidence. I want to reject ideology. I accept the fact that I can't be certain. And I accept that sometimes that means people are going to have a hard time pinning me down and I can't always tell you what I do and do not want to compromise on.

But these are like the two kind of twin dangers that you find in life. And to be honest, if I personally had to be vulnerable to one of those dangers, I'd rather be vulnerable to the one that the centrists do rather than becoming an ideological robot, as you often see on the binary side.

But these are like the two kind of twin dangers that you find in life. And to be honest, if I personally had to be vulnerable to one of those dangers, I'd rather be vulnerable to the one that the centrists do rather than becoming an ideological robot, as you often see on the binary side.