Ina Garten

Hey there, it's my pleasure to be with you here on the Oprah Podcast in the great city of New York.

I often say that one of the biggest lessons I've ever learned from my life and career of talking with thousands of people is that at our core, we all want to know that we matter.

It's one of our fundamental desires as human beings.

Every argument, every interaction we have really boils down to this.

Do you see me?

Do you hear me?

and does what I say matter to you?

So when I saw the title of this book, The Secret to a Life of Deep Connection, I thought,

Jennifer is speaking my language.

It got my attention.

And I love a Clementine too, so.

Then I open it up and I see that I am quoted on page 18 in this book.

Pretty cool.

My guest on this podcast today believes that there has been an erosion of mattering.

So that's why she was inspired to spend six years researching it all over the world.

Jennifer Wallace is an award-winning journalist,

and founder of the Mattering Institute.

Did you know there was a Mattering Institute?

Welcome, Jennifer, to the podcast.

I hear everyone calls you Jenny, so I'm going to call you Jenny.