Jack Goldsmith

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462 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2025 last heard 10 Sep

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Interesting Times · Trump Is Getting Even Richer. Is That a Crime? · 10 Sep 2026 podcast

I don't think we can prove that policy's been distorted, but there's tons of circumstantial evidence that it has been.

And just to specify, enriching in a financial sense.

There may be other senses in which presidents and officials become enriched.

They may become famous.

They may be able to trade on that fame after they leave office and the like.

I think what you're talking about is financial enrichment.

I do think it's fair to say that we have in part – I mean, it's not the only thing driving policy –

But that corner of policy that is being influenced by the president's making of money off of foreign entities giving his entities money does count as a kleptocracy.

And you might think that to the extent that that is a large part of the president's time, and it tends to be, that we are moving in that direction.

I mean, there's a lot of things going on in Washington, but I would say that that is kleptocratic, yes.

So this is a harder question than you might think.

The president is not subject to the conflict of interest regime that the rest of the federal government, except for the vice president, is subject to.

So he's basically opted out of the core conflict of interest regime.

The reason for that is one remedy for conflict of interest is recusal.

The president can't recuse.

He's in charge of everything.

So in the last 50, 60, 70 years, we developed alternate strategies to deal with conflicts, norms that every president until Trump with tiny little deviations followed.

So there's not a whole lot of law governing it.

There's the bribery laws, which are very hard to meet.

And while there's, as you say, lots of seeming mischief going on, I haven't seen a clear claim of bribery yet.

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