Jack Harlow

I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's like, it's so relaxed.

I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's like, it's so relaxed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I did for a portion of it.

I did for a portion of it.

That's right.

That's right.

Well, she's at another school. Let me chill.

Well, she's at another school. Let me chill.

didn't feel like it i just was me i just was i was i'd like to i just like to have friends you get it like to have friends with vaginas it's like i want to move on because somehow the wounds seem fresh no matter how long ago it was it's just like yeah let's chill let's chill we're literally talking about high school and middle school so yeah like there's she gonna hear this how many girlfriends did you have in high school i had one how long

didn't feel like it i just was me i just was i was i'd like to i just like to have friends you get it like to have friends with vaginas it's like i want to move on because somehow the wounds seem fresh no matter how long ago it was it's just like yeah let's chill let's chill we're literally talking about high school and middle school so yeah like there's she gonna hear this how many girlfriends did you have in high school i had one how long

Yeah.

Yeah.

A year.

A year.

I was on the same shit I'm on now, then. I'm, you know, playing the field, you know, chilling, seeing what's going on. Oh, assessing the situation. Yeah.

I was on the same shit I'm on now, then. I'm, you know, playing the field, you know, chilling, seeing what's going on. Oh, assessing the situation. Yeah.

You are funny.

You are funny.

I mean, What's Poppin' was a huge one.

I mean, What's Poppin' was a huge one.

There was little steps up till then. There's a lot of people that approached me and told me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me. Had these records that would go viral on Twitter from 2017, 2018, 2019. So it was building, it was building. And then it took this big jump where it was popping.

There was little steps up till then. There's a lot of people that approached me and told me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me. Had these records that would go viral on Twitter from 2017, 2018, 2019. So it was building, it was building. And then it took this big jump where it was popping.

And I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like... And that was when I was like, oh, okay. Here we go. I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown. And people are stopping me, so...

And I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like... And that was when I was like, oh, okay. Here we go. I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown. And people are stopping me, so...

Nah, just excited.

Nah, just excited.

It's very validating. I mean, especially overseas, like walking through New Zealand and Australia and people people know it's like. You feel that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back, so. It feels really good. It feels good.

It's very validating. I mean, especially overseas, like walking through New Zealand and Australia and people people know it's like. You feel that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back, so. It feels really good. It feels good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk.

I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk.

Yeah, and I like, well, yeah. Wow. You spun that a certain way. Not too much.

Yeah, and I like, well, yeah. Wow. You spun that a certain way. Not too much.

To a point. Hey, let me tell you something. You are funny. You are funny.

To a point. Hey, let me tell you something. You are funny. You are funny.

I mean, I assumed you were. Yeah. But this is proof right here. Okay, thanks. I just think the women over there have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just are.

I mean, I assumed you were. Yeah. But this is proof right here. Okay, thanks. I just think the women over there have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just are.

They're cheeky. And they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.

They're cheeky. And they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.

All those sound good.

All those sound good.

I just like sweethearts, man. I like sweet-ass girls. I like sweet-ass girls.

I just like sweethearts, man. I like sweet-ass girls. I like sweet-ass girls.

I'm not saying a girl has to like... be a pushover, let me walk all over her. That's not what I mean by sweet. I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. That's not one of my fetishes. And I know that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that. They love it. I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games.

I'm not saying a girl has to like... be a pushover, let me walk all over her. That's not what I mean by sweet. I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. That's not one of my fetishes. And I know that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that. They love it. I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games.

I don't want to play any games. I just want to enjoy it. And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I turn 30, who knows?

I don't want to play any games. I just want to enjoy it. And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I turn 30, who knows?

Hopefully not.

Hopefully not.

There's no telling. I'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that is that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level is above me. This and that. It's like it's just where I am right now.

There's no telling. I'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that is that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level is above me. This and that. It's like it's just where I am right now.

I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world.

I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world.

I think when I was really young, my teeth were pre braces. My teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked.

I think when I was really young, my teeth were pre braces. My teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked.

It's a common one. That was one.

It's a common one. That was one.

I think I had some blue shit going on.

I think I had some blue shit going on.

No, but you did.

No, but you did.

It don't matter then. I can totally see that. I can totally see you at 11 years old.

It don't matter then. I can totally see that. I can totally see you at 11 years old.

Never getting fingered.

Never getting fingered.

Damn, damn, damn. I've got the craziest story about fingering.

Damn, damn, damn. I've got the craziest story about fingering.

I lowkey wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just wanted to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

I lowkey wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just wanted to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

In middle school.

In middle school.

So I had this chick I was messing with, seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade. And she was touching me, I was touching her, and a little bit of pre-cum got on her hands and my hands. And you know about pre-cum, so. So then I fingered my girlfriend in middle school. And the next day she hit me and she's like, yo, I think I missed my period. And I'm like, now hold on.

So I had this chick I was messing with, seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade. And she was touching me, I was touching her, and a little bit of pre-cum got on her hands and my hands. And you know about pre-cum, so. So then I fingered my girlfriend in middle school. And the next day she hit me and she's like, yo, I think I missed my period. And I'm like, now hold on.

And I started to, my mind starts racing. My mind starts racing, thinking about it all. And we meet up at the buses and I'm like, you know I had pre-cum on my fingers when I was touching you. I don't know if, do you think, and she was like, And then days went by. I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly. She texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it?

And I started to, my mind starts racing. My mind starts racing, thinking about it all. And we meet up at the buses and I'm like, you know I had pre-cum on my fingers when I was touching you. I don't know if, do you think, and she was like, And then days went by. I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly. She texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it?

And she's like, I still didn't get it. My period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunderstruck. And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody. I had nobody to talk to.

And she's like, I still didn't get it. My period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunderstruck. And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody. I had nobody to talk to.

Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody. Because it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody?

Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody. Because it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody?

It would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 12th or 13th birthday. Oh, man. And I remember being at school and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going into class. And I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling.

It would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 12th or 13th birthday. Oh, man. And I remember being at school and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going into class. And I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling.

Like I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything. And it was just dark, dark, dark. And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps. I couldn't tell anyone why. And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period. I was so relieved. So relieved. But that was a, that was one of my first tastes of like grown up anxiety.

Like I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything. And it was just dark, dark, dark. And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps. I couldn't tell anyone why. And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period. I was so relieved. So relieved. But that was a, that was one of my first tastes of like grown up anxiety.

Yes. On my fingers too.

Yes. On my fingers too.

You know it.

You know it.

And everyone should.

And everyone should.

I've always wanted to.

I've always wanted to.

Maybe after marriage.

Maybe after marriage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I lost my virginity bra, actually. What the fuck? And goddamn, it was great. In that moment, I was like, oh, shit. Because it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because I didn't know you had to wet it up. So I was putting dry on dry. I was putting a dry dick against a dry. And I was like, this shit's huge. I'm like, this motherfucker won't quit. And then I just spit it on him.

I lost my virginity bra, actually. What the fuck? And goddamn, it was great. In that moment, I was like, oh, shit. Because it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because I didn't know you had to wet it up. So I was putting dry on dry. I was putting a dry dick against a dry. And I was like, this shit's huge. I'm like, this motherfucker won't quit. And then I just spit it on him.

And suddenly, it just fell in. And I was like... I remember I was in that motherfucker. I looked down at her. I was like, are we going to be here for a minute? If I'm lucky. And I started... I started... And then 45 seconds later... We gone. I was like, I gotta... I'm out. I'm out. But I... It's so funny. It's so stupid, but... It is an amazing moment when you first feel that. And it's good.

And suddenly, it just fell in. And I was like... I remember I was in that motherfucker. I looked down at her. I was like, are we going to be here for a minute? If I'm lucky. And I started... I started... And then 45 seconds later... We gone. I was like, I gotta... I'm out. I'm out. But I... It's so funny. It's so stupid, but... It is an amazing moment when you first feel that. And it's good.

I know they teach us. Around that time, you're getting all this promotion, all this propaganda. Put a condom on. In my head, I'm like, all right, all right. Come on. I'm going to. But on my first go, I'm not going to have a barrier between me and that moment.

I know they teach us. Around that time, you're getting all this promotion, all this propaganda. Put a condom on. In my head, I'm like, all right, all right. Come on. I'm going to. But on my first go, I'm not going to have a barrier between me and that moment.

i want to feel that shit thank god i did because i i was like this is why this is humanity i felt humanity in one stroke i felt the cause of humanity in one stroke we know you love dualipa what other celebrities are you crushing on there's someone but i don't think it's mutual so oh i don't really want to talk about it yeah but like what if you like put it out into the world and it like

i want to feel that shit thank god i did because i i was like this is why this is humanity i felt humanity in one stroke i felt the cause of humanity in one stroke we know you love dualipa what other celebrities are you crushing on there's someone but i don't think it's mutual so oh i don't really want to talk about it yeah but like what if you like put it out into the world and it like

And it's not time yet.

And it's not time yet.

She's beautiful.

She's beautiful.

Well, there's only a few. Not joking.

Well, there's only a few. Not joking.

What does it say?

What does it say?

About this interview?

About this interview?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate.

I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate.

At the moment, but you run this shit. Let's be fucking honest. But I'll tell you, I'll give you something. I like a girl next door anyway. So I don't need any internet presence. I like me a librarian. I like a waitress.

At the moment, but you run this shit. Let's be fucking honest. But I'll tell you, I'll give you something. I like a girl next door anyway. So I don't need any internet presence. I like me a librarian. I like a waitress.

You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know. I've written a song about nurses. Girls wear scrubs to my shows. And I'm not being funny.

You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know. I've written a song about nurses. Girls wear scrubs to my shows. And I'm not being funny.

I really like going to dinner and obviously that's not revolutionary but that's just one of my favorite pastimes honestly I love going out to dinner with or without a girl like I just love it I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it I don't know I don't I'm not the most extravagant but I would I like to be somewhere quiet I don't want I don't want music blaring I don't want to be yelling over something I want to be with you in a dark corner

I really like going to dinner and obviously that's not revolutionary but that's just one of my favorite pastimes honestly I love going out to dinner with or without a girl like I just love it I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it I don't know I don't I'm not the most extravagant but I would I like to be somewhere quiet I don't want I don't want music blaring I don't want to be yelling over something I want to be with you in a dark corner

in a booth and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get. And, you know, exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear, like true intimacy. That's like, if I really want to go on a date with a girl, I want to be, I don't want to go to a movie. I don't want to go do an activity. I want to be, I want to be how you and I are right now, but there's ain't no marble table between us.

in a booth and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get. And, you know, exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear, like true intimacy. That's like, if I really want to go on a date with a girl, I want to be, I don't want to go to a movie. I don't want to go do an activity. I want to be, I want to be how you and I are right now, but there's ain't no marble table between us.

Like I want to be on each other.

Like I want to be on each other.

Sometime in the last couple of years.

Sometime in the last couple of years.

A couple of years. have you ever been in love i'd like to think so how many times potentially once well i hear people describe love and i'm like god damn like that is something that is something but i don't know if i've been intoxicated like i felt deep infatuation but i i've been in love with someone once i've been in love with someone and love someone and

A couple of years. have you ever been in love i'd like to think so how many times potentially once well i hear people describe love and i'm like god damn like that is something that is something but i don't know if i've been intoxicated like i felt deep infatuation but i i've been in love with someone once i've been in love with someone and love someone and

I felt that, but I don't know if I felt the highest heights I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it. And it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it. I'm more just like, wow, like that is a deep rush. Like I ain't never had that. Yeah. Yeah.

I felt that, but I don't know if I felt the highest heights I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it. And it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it. I'm more just like, wow, like that is a deep rush. Like I ain't never had that. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's how it seems to go, right? I mean, my high school girlfriend, like, there might have been a sense of, like, oh, we're in love. And then you have another one after that. And you're like, no, this is it. And then you have another one.

That's how it seems to go, right? I mean, my high school girlfriend, like, there might have been a sense of, like, oh, we're in love. And then you have another one after that. And you're like, no, this is it. And then you have another one.

Yeah, and you just keep dialing in your preferences. And suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for.

Yeah, and you just keep dialing in your preferences. And suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for.

Oh, you just gave me chills. The fuck?

Oh, you just gave me chills. The fuck?

You're smacking the delivery.

You're smacking the delivery.

Five.

Five.

Weak as answer, right? Come on. Well, it's just like. I have my kinks. I can't front. But I also, if you ask the woman I'm with, they're like, God damn, I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top. I'm like, I'm not arching my back. You're not putting nothing in my ass. I'm sorry. It's me. It's me. So everybody's got their thing. But I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught.

Weak as answer, right? Come on. Well, it's just like. I have my kinks. I can't front. But I also, if you ask the woman I'm with, they're like, God damn, I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top. I'm like, I'm not arching my back. You're not putting nothing in my ass. I'm sorry. It's me. It's me. So everybody's got their thing. But I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught.

I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. during sax yes when i was 19 yeah i was just like i was a breather but i started to i started to figure that out and so you know people ask for what they want and you're like some of it you're like okay this is actually turning me up but then some of it like the lyric in the song is like i'll do that for you but it's not making my dick harder

I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. during sax yes when i was 19 yeah i was just like i was a breather but i started to i started to figure that out and so you know people ask for what they want and you're like some of it you're like okay this is actually turning me up but then some of it like the lyric in the song is like i'll do that for you but it's not making my dick harder

But I know it's not about me in that moment.

But I know it's not about me in that moment.

Okay.

Okay.

The best. It's good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

The best. It's good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

I know they think it is. It's fine with me. That's how we got going, though. That's how the Homo erectus was like. That's that's default. Like, let's just face facts as default.

I know they think it is. It's fine with me. That's how we got going, though. That's how the Homo erectus was like. That's that's default. Like, let's just face facts as default.

We've been over-sexualized as a culture and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes. Like, come on. Like, there's nothing better. There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences. That's fine.

We've been over-sexualized as a culture and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes. Like, come on. Like, there's nothing better. There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences. That's fine.

It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like, what? You can get in there. Like,

It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like, what? You can get in there. Like,

Wow. What do they call you? You know I make music, right? MJ. MJ.

Wow. What do they call you? You know I make music, right? MJ. MJ.

I don't know why. I got that nickname as a young child. My grandma called me that at two years old. Missionary Jack.

I don't know why. I got that nickname as a young child. My grandma called me that at two years old. Missionary Jack.

I was two years old. My grandma, you know that Simba had that shit? Yeah. She wiped some of that shit on my head. She's like, he's going to love missionary.

I was two years old. My grandma, you know that Simba had that shit? Yeah. She wiped some of that shit on my head. She's like, he's going to love missionary.

She's 28 telling me I'm still a baby. No, I don't like whips and chains. I don't want to be tired.

She's 28 telling me I'm still a baby. No, I don't like whips and chains. I don't want to be tired.

Whose?

Whose?

It would take the right woman. There's someone that could bring it out of me, though. I know it.

It would take the right woman. There's someone that could bring it out of me, though. I know it.

Crucial. Crucial.

Crucial. Crucial.

Oh, the romance novels?

Oh, the romance novels?

And then I bend you over and breathe. And you're like, nah.

And then I bend you over and breathe. And you're like, nah.

I do a lot of, I just like to read with my left hand. Keep going. That too? I like quick fire. And that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another. So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row.

I do a lot of, I just like to read with my left hand. Keep going. That too? I like quick fire. And that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another. So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row.

Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. Once they go like that, you're like, eh, that was a good effort.

Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. Once they go like that, you're like, eh, that was a good effort.

I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody. Hmm. you know sifting sifting sifting credit carding you know that's very intimate i like being i like being a little spoon anyway so i don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying what about a little lick i can i can fuck with that I can get cleaned out. I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny.

I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody. Hmm. you know sifting sifting sifting credit carding you know that's very intimate i like being i like being a little spoon anyway so i don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying what about a little lick i can i can fuck with that I can get cleaned out. I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny.

Girls, listen to this.

Girls, listen to this.

I'm just joking.

I'm just joking.

Traumatized. I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one. I remember, I used to love me a handjob.

Traumatized. I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one. I remember, I used to love me a handjob.

And I still, I still, I'm a fan. It has to be moisturized, but I like it. But I just remember that girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events and she would just work my shit over my jeans. I swear, I'd look at that motherfucker later, that bitch was bruised. But at the moment, it was like, over the jeans, just working my shit. I'm leaving there. Yeah.

And I still, I still, I'm a fan. It has to be moisturized, but I like it. But I just remember that girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events and she would just work my shit over my jeans. I swear, I'd look at that motherfucker later, that bitch was bruised. But at the moment, it was like, over the jeans, just working my shit. I'm leaving there. Yeah.

Gosh, where do I start? I mean, growing up listening to rap music, you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up. And I was just like, damn, Louisville needs that. And so it became a priority to me. And I love where I'm from. I just love it. I love it. That's why I'm there. It just makes me happy. And I think it's like it's slow and it's laid back.

Gosh, where do I start? I mean, growing up listening to rap music, you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up. And I was just like, damn, Louisville needs that. And so it became a priority to me. And I love where I'm from. I just love it. I love it. That's why I'm there. It just makes me happy. And I think it's like it's slow and it's laid back.

It's too late for you.

It's too late for you.

You passed that period.

You passed that period.

R&D. Rhythm and dialogue. Rhythm and dialogue.

R&D. Rhythm and dialogue. Rhythm and dialogue.

Just like me. Misunderstood too.

Just like me. Misunderstood too.

I just, I guess I just feel like, I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in. I don't know.

I just, I guess I just feel like, I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in. I don't know.

Cause now I don't breathe. There is. I had, I had work to be done and met somebody older than me. And so I think it just turned my, my dialogue up.

Cause now I don't breathe. There is. I had, I had work to be done and met somebody older than me. And so I think it just turned my, my dialogue up.

Yeah. And it got out of, it just became very like express what you feel right now. Just express it. You don't need no lines you wrote earlier. Say what you feel right this moment. So to anyone watching out there, that's what I recommend. Literally, stream of consciousness is the best thing you can do. Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it.

Yeah. And it got out of, it just became very like express what you feel right now. Just express it. You don't need no lines you wrote earlier. Say what you feel right this moment. So to anyone watching out there, that's what I recommend. Literally, stream of consciousness is the best thing you can do. Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it.

If you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it, what you want, what you want for them.

If you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it, what you want, what you want for them.

Damn. No, I'm not.

Damn. No, I'm not.

You're awesome.

You're awesome.

I mean, surely. Surely. I still want to go to dinner later. For sure, because you're going to pay and you know what it is. They want the Uber ride home.

I mean, surely. Surely. I still want to go to dinner later. For sure, because you're going to pay and you know what it is. They want the Uber ride home.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yes, very, very, very.

Yes, very, very, very.

I'll see you next time. Thank you.

I'll see you next time. Thank you.

You almost got it. You almost got it. I would say locally it's the ville is more Ville.

You almost got it. You almost got it. I would say locally it's the ville is more Ville.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Well, not deeply. And I'm beyond my like correcting it stage. It's just it's not tasteful. But you peep it. You notice.

Well, not deeply. And I'm beyond my like correcting it stage. It's just it's not tasteful. But you peep it. You notice.

Hi. How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them? It's a tough one. I don't know if I could describe myself on camera. I'm self-proclaiming myself as the best rapper in Louisville right now, right here. TikTok took it up a mess.

Hi. How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them? It's a tough one. I don't know if I could describe myself on camera. I'm self-proclaiming myself as the best rapper in Louisville right now, right here. TikTok took it up a mess.

Louisville. Louisville. Yeah, you're there. You're there.

Louisville. Louisville. Yeah, you're there. You're there.

That's a good question. It's really good. I see why you're in the position you're in. You know what to do. I'm just getting started. You know what to do. Trust me, I believe it. Well, I'll tell you specifically the city I'm from feels very misunderstood, I think, in terms of like a national identity because Kentucky is so dominantly rural.

That's a good question. It's really good. I see why you're in the position you're in. You know what to do. I'm just getting started. You know what to do. Trust me, I believe it. Well, I'll tell you specifically the city I'm from feels very misunderstood, I think, in terms of like a national identity because Kentucky is so dominantly rural.

And Louisville is like a full-blown city, like with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there. Yeah. I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason. Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions. I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.

And Louisville is like a full-blown city, like with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there. Yeah. I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason. Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions. I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.

I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot.

I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot.

Novels on novels. I was really into Harry Potter. I just read. I remember there was a series. I'm glad you asked so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and it just had me fucking hooked. I was deep in it. I just loved books. I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life.

Novels on novels. I was really into Harry Potter. I just read. I remember there was a series. I'm glad you asked so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and it just had me fucking hooked. I was deep in it. I just loved books. I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life.

I heard hip hop for the first time. I was like...

I heard hip hop for the first time. I was like...

Who was that Asian girl he was fucking with?

Who was that Asian girl he was fucking with?

She had me. She had me weak. I can't lie. She had me open reading that shit. The details J.K. Rowling used to bring it. I was in there nine years old, pants tightening up. I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?

She had me. She had me weak. I can't lie. She had me open reading that shit. The details J.K. Rowling used to bring it. I was in there nine years old, pants tightening up. I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?

Nah, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.

Nah, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.

Damn, I just realized I've been waiting for a chance. It's the right opportunity. Jimmy Fallon didn't want to talk about it.

Damn, I just realized I've been waiting for a chance. It's the right opportunity. Jimmy Fallon didn't want to talk about it.

But somehow, this is right up your alley.

But somehow, this is right up your alley.

I just remember... I just remember, I remember first time I tried to go there, it rose and it was like, the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped. I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts. And so I went to sleep.

I just remember... I just remember, I remember first time I tried to go there, it rose and it was like, the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped. I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts. And so I went to sleep.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I just went to sleep and the next night I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way and I became an ocean.

I just went to sleep and the next night I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way and I became an ocean.

I thought, God damn, I get it. This shit's all right.

I thought, God damn, I get it. This shit's all right.

I was terrified. I don't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising. I'm like, where are we going?

I was terrified. I don't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising. I'm like, where are we going?

Me too.

Me too.

My two parents who love each other deeply to this day and my little brother. Oh, nice. I owe a lot to my parents. I got good parents. You do? Yeah. And they're still together? They are. Deeply in love.

My two parents who love each other deeply to this day and my little brother. Oh, nice. I owe a lot to my parents. I got good parents. You do? Yeah. And they're still together? They are. Deeply in love.

You know, I was for a while.

You know, I was for a while.

I don't know I'm just deeply in my patch in my patch stage right now like not that I'm I'm not I'm not like necessarily cutthroat I just like I think when I was 21 I just seeked so much validation and it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special and it was almost like how many can I make feel special just to be honest and I think I didn't want to sleep by myself.

I don't know I'm just deeply in my patch in my patch stage right now like not that I'm I'm not I'm not like necessarily cutthroat I just like I think when I was 21 I just seeked so much validation and it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special and it was almost like how many can I make feel special just to be honest and I think I didn't want to sleep by myself.

Couldn't wait to get out of there.

Couldn't wait to get out of there.

And if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime. And something shifted where I want my space more than ever. And I'm as transparent as I've ever been. And I'm just telling it what it is. And I don't fucking, I'm not worried. If it's not right for the other person, it's like, let's keep moving.

And if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime. And something shifted where I want my space more than ever. And I'm as transparent as I've ever been. And I'm just telling it what it is. And I don't fucking, I'm not worried. If it's not right for the other person, it's like, let's keep moving.

Shit, it's not the vibe anytime.

Shit, it's not the vibe anytime.

So it's a different stage. I think something in the last like 12 months, probably something shifted.

So it's a different stage. I think something in the last like 12 months, probably something shifted.

I am.

I am.

Yeah, it's already canceled.

Yeah, it's already canceled.

I was there for business, yeah.

I was there for business, yeah.

What was going on? I could always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like... I didn't have my way across the board, but... I could get the cute girl. I could get the cute girl. I was well-liked in high school.

What was going on? I could always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like... I didn't have my way across the board, but... I could get the cute girl. I could get the cute girl. I was well-liked in high school.

I started making music so early that... the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early. So I would pass out CDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time. So I was in sort of my own category. Even locally, I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools.

I started making music so early that... the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early. So I would pass out CDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time. So I was in sort of my own category. Even locally, I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools.

You know. I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me.

You know. I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me.

So it was unique. It was unique.

So it was unique. It was unique.

Sammy Adams.

Sammy Adams.

I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old. Shut the fuck up. I was 18 years old. No one was there to see me. I was playing for his crowd. It was fine. Righty passage. Right. First tour I ever went on, like four dates on the East Coast. We drove ourselves out there.

I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old. Shut the fuck up. I was 18 years old. No one was there to see me. I was playing for his crowd. It was fine. Righty passage. Right. First tour I ever went on, like four dates on the East Coast. We drove ourselves out there.

no one with us just me my dj and two of my friends and we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like who the fuck is this like can can samuel please come out here like fuck samuel this chat kid does not do it for me and i was like you know no beard glasses still on like didn't know how to cut my hair like i was it was raw it was a very raw time but it was character building

no one with us just me my dj and two of my friends and we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like who the fuck is this like can can samuel please come out here like fuck samuel this chat kid does not do it for me and i was like you know no beard glasses still on like didn't know how to cut my hair like i was it was raw it was a very raw time but it was character building

I didn't spend any money. No.

I didn't spend any money. No.

Yeah, I think when I was younger, I really was banking on that juxtaposition. I think I was like, ooh, this shock value is going to be what does it for me. And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked became slightly more vain. And I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased.

Yeah, I think when I was younger, I really was banking on that juxtaposition. I think I was like, ooh, this shock value is going to be what does it for me. And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked became slightly more vain. And I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased.

Like, I don't really want to be tethered to these glasses. So that's how the shift came about.

Like, I don't really want to be tethered to these glasses. So that's how the shift came about.

It was polarizing for people. It was very divisive. People either thought it was super tight that I was doing that, or they thought from a distance. They never would say it to me. I wasn't stuffing the locker material. I was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders. I wasn't the high school quarterback, but nobody was fucking talking to me. Right.

It was polarizing for people. It was very divisive. People either thought it was super tight that I was doing that, or they thought from a distance. They never would say it to me. I wasn't stuffing the locker material. I was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders. I wasn't the high school quarterback, but nobody was fucking talking to me. Right.

There were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me. And I would hear from other schools that people thought it was lame. Like, oh, you fucked with that kid. That shit's terrible. So it was split.

There were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me. And I would hear from other schools that people thought it was lame. Like, oh, you fucked with that kid. That shit's terrible. So it was split.

Thank you.

Thank you.

so yeah you weren't getting stuffed into lockers thank you for that too you wouldn't have fit that's right um how would your teachers have described you back then if they were british they would have said cheeky i was well liked by my teachers but i was not focused on school at all good grades bad grades poor poor mediocre like d's or c's c's and d's not failing getting through but like not focused cheating endlessly

so yeah you weren't getting stuffed into lockers thank you for that too you wouldn't have fit that's right um how would your teachers have described you back then if they were british they would have said cheeky i was well liked by my teachers but i was not focused on school at all good grades bad grades poor poor mediocre like d's or c's c's and d's not failing getting through but like not focused cheating endlessly

oh you know it's a skill fuck the thing is at the beginning of high school we signed like a uh did y'all have to do that we signed like an oath i was like fuck man they could take me to court because i didn't earn my shit i'll tell you what how far would you go to cheat like did you have any like tricks i had tricks surely tricks now you're not in school trust me i had tricks okay i had tricks i was uh

oh you know it's a skill fuck the thing is at the beginning of high school we signed like a uh did y'all have to do that we signed like an oath i was like fuck man they could take me to court because i didn't earn my shit i'll tell you what how far would you go to cheat like did you have any like tricks i had tricks surely tricks now you're not in school trust me i had tricks okay i had tricks i was uh

I was just in with the smart girls in the classes. I was in with them. You could send picture messages when I was in high school. Obviously, I didn't grow up in the 60s, so I'm joking. But if I had a vibe with a girl, she was coming through with 11 attachments. I'm like... She would bless me and I'd be like, I owe you. I'm going to take care of you.

I was just in with the smart girls in the classes. I was in with them. You could send picture messages when I was in high school. Obviously, I didn't grow up in the 60s, so I'm joking. But if I had a vibe with a girl, she was coming through with 11 attachments. I'm like... She would bless me and I'd be like, I owe you. I'm going to take care of you.

Because that is a love language right there, ain't it?

Because that is a love language right there, ain't it?

Right. How intimate is that, though? How intimate is that? That is special. And I used to just put my arm around like, you help me. I'm like, oh, I owe you. I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something. We're going to figure it out.

Right. How intimate is that, though? How intimate is that? That is special. And I used to just put my arm around like, you help me. I'm like, oh, I owe you. I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something. We're going to figure it out.

I'm sure. I'm sure I did. But I don't think it was. I don't know if it was a direct like debt exchange when I did it. Yeah. But coincidentally, I may have. But it was love. It was love. I always had I always had a lot of homegirls like that. It didn't have to go anywhere. It's just there's nothing like the company of a woman.

I'm sure. I'm sure I did. But I don't think it was. I don't know if it was a direct like debt exchange when I did it. Yeah. But coincidentally, I may have. But it was love. It was love. I always had I always had a lot of homegirls like that. It didn't have to go anywhere. It's just there's nothing like the company of a woman.

I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's like, it's so relaxed.

Yeah.

I did for a portion of it.

That's right.

Well, she's at another school. Let me chill.

didn't feel like it i just was me i just was i was i'd like to i just like to have friends you get it like to have friends with vaginas it's like i want to move on because somehow the wounds seem fresh no matter how long ago it was it's just like yeah let's chill let's chill we're literally talking about high school and middle school so yeah like there's she gonna hear this how many girlfriends did you have in high school i had one how long

Yeah.

A year.

I was on the same shit I'm on now, then. I'm, you know, playing the field, you know, chilling, seeing what's going on. Oh, assessing the situation. Yeah.

You are funny.

I mean, What's Poppin' was a huge one.

There was little steps up till then. There's a lot of people that approached me and told me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me. Had these records that would go viral on Twitter from 2017, 2018, 2019. So it was building, it was building. And then it took this big jump where it was popping.

And I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like... And that was when I was like, oh, okay. Here we go. I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown. And people are stopping me, so...

Nah, just excited.

It's very validating. I mean, especially overseas, like walking through New Zealand and Australia and people people know it's like. You feel that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back, so. It feels really good. It feels good.

Yeah.

I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk.

Yeah, and I like, well, yeah. Wow. You spun that a certain way. Not too much.

To a point. Hey, let me tell you something. You are funny. You are funny.

I mean, I assumed you were. Yeah. But this is proof right here. Okay, thanks. I just think the women over there have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just are.

They're cheeky. And they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.

All those sound good.

I just like sweethearts, man. I like sweet-ass girls. I like sweet-ass girls.

I'm not saying a girl has to like... be a pushover, let me walk all over her. That's not what I mean by sweet. I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. That's not one of my fetishes. And I know that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that. They love it. I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games.

I don't want to play any games. I just want to enjoy it. And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I turn 30, who knows?

Hopefully not.

There's no telling. I'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that is that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level is above me. This and that. It's like it's just where I am right now.

I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world.

I think when I was really young, my teeth were pre braces. My teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked.

It's a common one. That was one.

I think I had some blue shit going on.

No, but you did.

It don't matter then. I can totally see that. I can totally see you at 11 years old.

Never getting fingered.

Damn, damn, damn. I've got the craziest story about fingering.

I lowkey wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just wanted to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

In middle school.

So I had this chick I was messing with, seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade. And she was touching me, I was touching her, and a little bit of pre-cum got on her hands and my hands. And you know about pre-cum, so. So then I fingered my girlfriend in middle school. And the next day she hit me and she's like, yo, I think I missed my period. And I'm like, now hold on.

And I started to, my mind starts racing. My mind starts racing, thinking about it all. And we meet up at the buses and I'm like, you know I had pre-cum on my fingers when I was touching you. I don't know if, do you think, and she was like, And then days went by. I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly. She texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it?

And she's like, I still didn't get it. My period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunderstruck. And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody. I had nobody to talk to.

Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody. Because it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody?

It would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 12th or 13th birthday. Oh, man. And I remember being at school and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going into class. And I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling.

Like I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything. And it was just dark, dark, dark. And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps. I couldn't tell anyone why. And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period. I was so relieved. So relieved. But that was a, that was one of my first tastes of like grown up anxiety.

Yes. On my fingers too.

You know it.

And everyone should.

I've always wanted to.

Maybe after marriage.

Yeah.

I lost my virginity bra, actually. What the fuck? And goddamn, it was great. In that moment, I was like, oh, shit. Because it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because I didn't know you had to wet it up. So I was putting dry on dry. I was putting a dry dick against a dry. And I was like, this shit's huge. I'm like, this motherfucker won't quit. And then I just spit it on him.

And suddenly, it just fell in. And I was like... I remember I was in that motherfucker. I looked down at her. I was like, are we going to be here for a minute? If I'm lucky. And I started... I started... And then 45 seconds later... We gone. I was like, I gotta... I'm out. I'm out. But I... It's so funny. It's so stupid, but... It is an amazing moment when you first feel that. And it's good.

I know they teach us. Around that time, you're getting all this promotion, all this propaganda. Put a condom on. In my head, I'm like, all right, all right. Come on. I'm going to. But on my first go, I'm not going to have a barrier between me and that moment.

i want to feel that shit thank god i did because i i was like this is why this is humanity i felt humanity in one stroke i felt the cause of humanity in one stroke we know you love dualipa what other celebrities are you crushing on there's someone but i don't think it's mutual so oh i don't really want to talk about it yeah but like what if you like put it out into the world and it like

And it's not time yet.

She's beautiful.

Well, there's only a few. Not joking.

What does it say?

About this interview?

Thank you.

Thank you.

I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate.

At the moment, but you run this shit. Let's be fucking honest. But I'll tell you, I'll give you something. I like a girl next door anyway. So I don't need any internet presence. I like me a librarian. I like a waitress.

You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know. I've written a song about nurses. Girls wear scrubs to my shows. And I'm not being funny.

I really like going to dinner and obviously that's not revolutionary but that's just one of my favorite pastimes honestly I love going out to dinner with or without a girl like I just love it I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it I don't know I don't I'm not the most extravagant but I would I like to be somewhere quiet I don't want I don't want music blaring I don't want to be yelling over something I want to be with you in a dark corner

in a booth and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get. And, you know, exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear, like true intimacy. That's like, if I really want to go on a date with a girl, I want to be, I don't want to go to a movie. I don't want to go do an activity. I want to be, I want to be how you and I are right now, but there's ain't no marble table between us.

Like I want to be on each other.

Sometime in the last couple of years.

A couple of years. have you ever been in love i'd like to think so how many times potentially once well i hear people describe love and i'm like god damn like that is something that is something but i don't know if i've been intoxicated like i felt deep infatuation but i i've been in love with someone once i've been in love with someone and love someone and

I felt that, but I don't know if I felt the highest heights I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it. And it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it. I'm more just like, wow, like that is a deep rush. Like I ain't never had that. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you.

That's how it seems to go, right? I mean, my high school girlfriend, like, there might have been a sense of, like, oh, we're in love. And then you have another one after that. And you're like, no, this is it. And then you have another one.

Yeah, and you just keep dialing in your preferences. And suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for.

Oh, you just gave me chills. The fuck?

You're smacking the delivery.

Five.

Weak as answer, right? Come on. Well, it's just like. I have my kinks. I can't front. But I also, if you ask the woman I'm with, they're like, God damn, I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top. I'm like, I'm not arching my back. You're not putting nothing in my ass. I'm sorry. It's me. It's me. So everybody's got their thing. But I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught.

I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. during sax yes when i was 19 yeah i was just like i was a breather but i started to i started to figure that out and so you know people ask for what they want and you're like some of it you're like okay this is actually turning me up but then some of it like the lyric in the song is like i'll do that for you but it's not making my dick harder

But I know it's not about me in that moment.

Okay.

The best. It's good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

I know they think it is. It's fine with me. That's how we got going, though. That's how the Homo erectus was like. That's that's default. Like, let's just face facts as default.

We've been over-sexualized as a culture and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes. Like, come on. Like, there's nothing better. There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences. That's fine.

It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like, what? You can get in there. Like,

Wow. What do they call you? You know I make music, right? MJ. MJ.

I don't know why. I got that nickname as a young child. My grandma called me that at two years old. Missionary Jack.

I was two years old. My grandma, you know that Simba had that shit? Yeah. She wiped some of that shit on my head. She's like, he's going to love missionary.

She's 28 telling me I'm still a baby. No, I don't like whips and chains. I don't want to be tired.

Whose?

It would take the right woman. There's someone that could bring it out of me, though. I know it.

Crucial. Crucial.

Oh, the romance novels?

And then I bend you over and breathe. And you're like, nah.

I do a lot of, I just like to read with my left hand. Keep going. That too? I like quick fire. And that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another. So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row.

Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. Once they go like that, you're like, eh, that was a good effort.

I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody. Hmm. you know sifting sifting sifting credit carding you know that's very intimate i like being i like being a little spoon anyway so i don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying what about a little lick i can i can fuck with that I can get cleaned out. I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny.

Girls, listen to this.

I'm just joking.

Traumatized. I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one. I remember, I used to love me a handjob.

And I still, I still, I'm a fan. It has to be moisturized, but I like it. But I just remember that girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events and she would just work my shit over my jeans. I swear, I'd look at that motherfucker later, that bitch was bruised. But at the moment, it was like, over the jeans, just working my shit. I'm leaving there. Yeah.

Gosh, where do I start? I mean, growing up listening to rap music, you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up. And I was just like, damn, Louisville needs that. And so it became a priority to me. And I love where I'm from. I just love it. I love it. That's why I'm there. It just makes me happy. And I think it's like it's slow and it's laid back.

It's too late for you.

You passed that period.

R&D. Rhythm and dialogue. Rhythm and dialogue.

Just like me. Misunderstood too.

I just, I guess I just feel like, I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in. I don't know.

Cause now I don't breathe. There is. I had, I had work to be done and met somebody older than me. And so I think it just turned my, my dialogue up.

Yeah. And it got out of, it just became very like express what you feel right now. Just express it. You don't need no lines you wrote earlier. Say what you feel right this moment. So to anyone watching out there, that's what I recommend. Literally, stream of consciousness is the best thing you can do. Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it.

If you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it, what you want, what you want for them.

Damn. No, I'm not.

You're awesome.

I mean, surely. Surely. I still want to go to dinner later. For sure, because you're going to pay and you know what it is. They want the Uber ride home.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yes, very, very, very.

I'll see you next time. Thank you.

You almost got it. You almost got it. I would say locally it's the ville is more Ville.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Well, not deeply. And I'm beyond my like correcting it stage. It's just it's not tasteful. But you peep it. You notice.

Hi. How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them? It's a tough one. I don't know if I could describe myself on camera. I'm self-proclaiming myself as the best rapper in Louisville right now, right here. TikTok took it up a mess.

Louisville. Louisville. Yeah, you're there. You're there.

That's a good question. It's really good. I see why you're in the position you're in. You know what to do. I'm just getting started. You know what to do. Trust me, I believe it. Well, I'll tell you specifically the city I'm from feels very misunderstood, I think, in terms of like a national identity because Kentucky is so dominantly rural.

And Louisville is like a full-blown city, like with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there. Yeah. I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason. Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions. I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.

I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot.

Novels on novels. I was really into Harry Potter. I just read. I remember there was a series. I'm glad you asked so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and it just had me fucking hooked. I was deep in it. I just loved books. I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life.

I heard hip hop for the first time. I was like...

Who was that Asian girl he was fucking with?

She had me. She had me weak. I can't lie. She had me open reading that shit. The details J.K. Rowling used to bring it. I was in there nine years old, pants tightening up. I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?

Nah, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.

Damn, I just realized I've been waiting for a chance. It's the right opportunity. Jimmy Fallon didn't want to talk about it.

But somehow, this is right up your alley.

I just remember... I just remember, I remember first time I tried to go there, it rose and it was like, the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped. I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts. And so I went to sleep.

Thank you.

I just went to sleep and the next night I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way and I became an ocean.

I thought, God damn, I get it. This shit's all right.

I was terrified. I don't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising. I'm like, where are we going?

Me too.

My two parents who love each other deeply to this day and my little brother. Oh, nice. I owe a lot to my parents. I got good parents. You do? Yeah. And they're still together? They are. Deeply in love.

You know, I was for a while.

I don't know I'm just deeply in my patch in my patch stage right now like not that I'm I'm not I'm not like necessarily cutthroat I just like I think when I was 21 I just seeked so much validation and it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special and it was almost like how many can I make feel special just to be honest and I think I didn't want to sleep by myself.

Couldn't wait to get out of there.

And if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime. And something shifted where I want my space more than ever. And I'm as transparent as I've ever been. And I'm just telling it what it is. And I don't fucking, I'm not worried. If it's not right for the other person, it's like, let's keep moving.

Shit, it's not the vibe anytime.

So it's a different stage. I think something in the last like 12 months, probably something shifted.

I am.

Yeah, it's already canceled.

I was there for business, yeah.

What was going on? I could always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like... I didn't have my way across the board, but... I could get the cute girl. I could get the cute girl. I was well-liked in high school.

I started making music so early that... the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early. So I would pass out CDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time. So I was in sort of my own category. Even locally, I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools.

You know. I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me.

So it was unique. It was unique.

Sammy Adams.

I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old. Shut the fuck up. I was 18 years old. No one was there to see me. I was playing for his crowd. It was fine. Righty passage. Right. First tour I ever went on, like four dates on the East Coast. We drove ourselves out there.

no one with us just me my dj and two of my friends and we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like who the fuck is this like can can samuel please come out here like fuck samuel this chat kid does not do it for me and i was like you know no beard glasses still on like didn't know how to cut my hair like i was it was raw it was a very raw time but it was character building

I didn't spend any money. No.

Yeah, I think when I was younger, I really was banking on that juxtaposition. I think I was like, ooh, this shock value is going to be what does it for me. And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked became slightly more vain. And I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased.

Like, I don't really want to be tethered to these glasses. So that's how the shift came about.

It was polarizing for people. It was very divisive. People either thought it was super tight that I was doing that, or they thought from a distance. They never would say it to me. I wasn't stuffing the locker material. I was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders. I wasn't the high school quarterback, but nobody was fucking talking to me. Right.

There were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me. And I would hear from other schools that people thought it was lame. Like, oh, you fucked with that kid. That shit's terrible. So it was split.

Thank you.

so yeah you weren't getting stuffed into lockers thank you for that too you wouldn't have fit that's right um how would your teachers have described you back then if they were british they would have said cheeky i was well liked by my teachers but i was not focused on school at all good grades bad grades poor poor mediocre like d's or c's c's and d's not failing getting through but like not focused cheating endlessly

oh you know it's a skill fuck the thing is at the beginning of high school we signed like a uh did y'all have to do that we signed like an oath i was like fuck man they could take me to court because i didn't earn my shit i'll tell you what how far would you go to cheat like did you have any like tricks i had tricks surely tricks now you're not in school trust me i had tricks okay i had tricks i was uh

I was just in with the smart girls in the classes. I was in with them. You could send picture messages when I was in high school. Obviously, I didn't grow up in the 60s, so I'm joking. But if I had a vibe with a girl, she was coming through with 11 attachments. I'm like... She would bless me and I'd be like, I owe you. I'm going to take care of you.

Because that is a love language right there, ain't it?

Right. How intimate is that, though? How intimate is that? That is special. And I used to just put my arm around like, you help me. I'm like, oh, I owe you. I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something. We're going to figure it out.

I'm sure. I'm sure I did. But I don't think it was. I don't know if it was a direct like debt exchange when I did it. Yeah. But coincidentally, I may have. But it was love. It was love. I always had I always had a lot of homegirls like that. It didn't have to go anywhere. It's just there's nothing like the company of a woman.