Jackie Heller

I think it's just as viable as any other theory. The phones do not make sense. I think it's almost impossible to make sense of the phones.

The names, the Schaefer name and Cody are names that we've heard.

That's who we think that call was intended for. I think it was a signal.

Right. Right.

We've tried to talk to him. He is a trip, big time trip. He wanted like thousands of dollars for us to talk to him. Oh, great. I was like, yeah, we're not entertaining this.

They dropped the ball. They had tunnel vision from the beginning. And they've dropped the ball. They have let Lisa down.

It just lacks the right person to come in and be like, we're finally going to do what needs to be done for Lisa.

It led us down some roads. bad places, some bad neighborhoods, talking to some bad people.

Nobody in this town is looking for her because they think her mother killed her. And she got away with it.

Absolutely. Yes. We've had people tell us, you know, we'll tell them, you know, there's $100,000 reward. And they're saying, well, what good is the reward if I'm not alive to spend it?

And this is what really breaks my heart about this whole thing, is the one consistent narrative that we have found in this story is that Lisa is no longer with us.

Yes. We had someone tell us that Lisa is in the bottom of Smithville Lake and they put her body in a duffel bag and made sure that the blocks weighed more than she did. So there was no chance of her body coming up. Those are the kind of things that we've heard about this.