Jacob Howland

Exactly, exactly.

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, and I was very – I'm not a mathematician, but – I did very well in mathematics. But I found that the physics was frankly too challenging. And I took an English course and some other things. And I finally took the philosophy course with a very brilliant man named David Lockerman. And he's one of these people that anyone who knew the guy said, this is the most brilliant person they'd ever met.

Yeah, and I was very – I'm not a mathematician, but – I did very well in mathematics. But I found that the physics was frankly too challenging. And I took an English course and some other things. And I finally took the philosophy course with a very brilliant man named David Lockerman. And he's one of these people that anyone who knew the guy said, this is the most brilliant person they'd ever met.

Yeah, and I was very – I'm not a mathematician, but – I did very well in mathematics. But I found that the physics was frankly too challenging. And I took an English course and some other things. And I finally took the philosophy course with a very brilliant man named David Lockerman. And he's one of these people that anyone who knew the guy said, this is the most brilliant person they'd ever met.

I was very fortunate too.

I was very fortunate too.

I was very fortunate too.

No, that was at Swarthmore College when I was undergraduate, yeah. And so I studied philosophy, history, and English. Those were my sort of three big influences. I got to read a lot of great literature, Russian lit, Latin American literature, American literature, studied history, in particular African history, I think, which was quite interesting.

No, that was at Swarthmore College when I was undergraduate, yeah. And so I studied philosophy, history, and English. Those were my sort of three big influences. I got to read a lot of great literature, Russian lit, Latin American literature, American literature, studied history, in particular African history, I think, which was quite interesting.

No, that was at Swarthmore College when I was undergraduate, yeah. And so I studied philosophy, history, and English. Those were my sort of three big influences. I got to read a lot of great literature, Russian lit, Latin American literature, American literature, studied history, in particular African history, I think, which was quite interesting.

But I fell in love with Plato, went to graduate school at Penn State University. And David Lacherman came to Penn State then. And that was great because he was on my dissertation committee. My main professor there, I suppose, besides Lacherman, was a man named Stanley Rosen, who was a student of Leo Strauss. And I studied Greek and wrote a dissertation on Plato's political philosophy.

But I fell in love with Plato, went to graduate school at Penn State University. And David Lacherman came to Penn State then. And that was great because he was on my dissertation committee. My main professor there, I suppose, besides Lacherman, was a man named Stanley Rosen, who was a student of Leo Strauss. And I studied Greek and wrote a dissertation on Plato's political philosophy.

But I fell in love with Plato, went to graduate school at Penn State University. And David Lacherman came to Penn State then. And that was great because he was on my dissertation committee. My main professor there, I suppose, besides Lacherman, was a man named Stanley Rosen, who was a student of Leo Strauss. And I studied Greek and wrote a dissertation on Plato's political philosophy.

Got a job at the University of Tulsa, which was great, for about three decades. I was the first chairman of the Department of Philosophy and Religion. They put these two departments together. And I had written a book on Plato's Republic, and then I had published my dissertation, and then decided I really wanted to get to know my religion colleagues.

Got a job at the University of Tulsa, which was great, for about three decades. I was the first chairman of the Department of Philosophy and Religion. They put these two departments together. And I had written a book on Plato's Republic, and then I had published my dissertation, and then decided I really wanted to get to know my religion colleagues.

Got a job at the University of Tulsa, which was great, for about three decades. I was the first chairman of the Department of Philosophy and Religion. They put these two departments together. And I had written a book on Plato's Republic, and then I had published my dissertation, and then decided I really wanted to get to know my religion colleagues.

So I started studying Kierkegaard and wrote a book on Kierkegaard and Socrates. Then I also, when we got to Tulsa, see, I had Jewish experiences as a child. For example, I remember Passover at my grandfather's house, where he'd grab my hand and take me to a shoal when he was saying Yartzeit for a relative, which is on the anniversary of their death, you say prayers.

So I started studying Kierkegaard and wrote a book on Kierkegaard and Socrates. Then I also, when we got to Tulsa, see, I had Jewish experiences as a child. For example, I remember Passover at my grandfather's house, where he'd grab my hand and take me to a shoal when he was saying Yartzeit for a relative, which is on the anniversary of their death, you say prayers.

So I started studying Kierkegaard and wrote a book on Kierkegaard and Socrates. Then I also, when we got to Tulsa, see, I had Jewish experiences as a child. For example, I remember Passover at my grandfather's house, where he'd grab my hand and take me to a shoal when he was saying Yartzeit for a relative, which is on the anniversary of their death, you say prayers.