James Orr

I think it's, and I think even, I defer to John here, but if you talk to really cutting edge physicists, they'll be the first to say that matter is a lot more complicated and mysterious

I think it's, and I think even, I defer to John here, but if you talk to really cutting edge physicists, they'll be the first to say that matter is a lot more complicated and mysterious

than it used to be, and we're starting to see now that structure, that relationality, the mapping of relationality through structure, has a lot more heuristic power within the hard sciences than the old sticks and balls physics that you used to learn at school.

than it used to be, and we're starting to see now that structure, that relationality, the mapping of relationality through structure, has a lot more heuristic power within the hard sciences than the old sticks and balls physics that you used to learn at school.

Of course. If you had to pick any kind of being in which these patterns of intelligibility could be united, just as a purely secular matter, what kind of being are you going to choose if not human beings?

Of course. If you had to pick any kind of being in which these patterns of intelligibility could be united, just as a purely secular matter, what kind of being are you going to choose if not human beings?

It's worth making the point that, I mean, Luke is seen as... A Greek physician, having a Greek mindset, he refers back to the Old Testament a little bit less often, say, certainly than Matthew. But it's worth saying that the reference to Elijah seems to be a fulfillment of the last two verses of our Old Testament, as it were, in Malachi, which... This is Malachi 4, 5.

It's worth making the point that, I mean, Luke is seen as... A Greek physician, having a Greek mindset, he refers back to the Old Testament a little bit less often, say, certainly than Matthew. But it's worth saying that the reference to Elijah seems to be a fulfillment of the last two verses of our Old Testament, as it were, in Malachi, which... This is Malachi 4, 5.

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord, and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the heart of the children to the fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. So it's a clear... The sense is that he's fulfilling, that John is fulfilling something, that he's preparing the way for...

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord, and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the heart of the children to the fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. So it's a clear... The sense is that he's fulfilling, that John is fulfilling something, that he's preparing the way for...

a sequence of events that is going to be a fulfillment of what is hinted at in Malachi and the Old Testament.

a sequence of events that is going to be a fulfillment of what is hinted at in Malachi and the Old Testament.

If you look at John 1.14, it says, and the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst. Tabernacle. The word there is the verb from skene, which is the tabernacle, which is the word that the Greek translators of the Old Testament used of the tabernacle.

If you look at John 1.14, it says, and the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst. Tabernacle. The word there is the verb from skene, which is the tabernacle, which is the word that the Greek translators of the Old Testament used of the tabernacle.

Yeah, I mean, I can't find the verse that says that John intended by baptism the efficacious sort of salvation of people who are being baptized. And he says at various points, he says, he actually draws a distinction. So Matthew says, this is what 311 says. "'I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance.'" I mean, you're repenting, and there's an external mark of your having repented.

Yeah, I mean, I can't find the verse that says that John intended by baptism the efficacious sort of salvation of people who are being baptized. And he says at various points, he says, he actually draws a distinction. So Matthew says, this is what 311 says. "'I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance.'" I mean, you're repenting, and there's an external mark of your having repented.

I take it to mean, I baptize you. But the Helot coming after me is mightier than I whose shoes I'm not worthy to untie. Then in John, this is in, let's have a look. This is the beginning of the opening chapter. He says, he's asked, why are you baptizing if you're not the Christ? And he says, well, I'm baptizing you with water but there's somebody standing among you who you don't know.

I take it to mean, I baptize you. But the Helot coming after me is mightier than I whose shoes I'm not worthy to untie. Then in John, this is in, let's have a look. This is the beginning of the opening chapter. He says, he's asked, why are you baptizing if you're not the Christ? And he says, well, I'm baptizing you with water but there's somebody standing among you who you don't know.

So it's a kind of proleptic.

So it's a kind of proleptic.