Jay Pukepuke

And when I look at other crimes that have happened that have ended quite differently...

It was the same scenario for us.

We never mean to hurt anyone or cause... We don't know.

I didn't know at the time the stress from not actually touching someone, just us running in there, balaclavaed up with a gun and demanding everything they had.

Yep.

And it took me years to understand who the real victims were.

You know, even going to prison and people who visit me, you know, how hard it is for them to come and visit.

So, you know, everywhere.

It's just the...

trail of bodies i use bodies because it's easy to see victims when you like create carnage and everyone's lying down behind you you know um in different ways yeah the psychological scarring so you end up doing um a total of 15 armed robberies all like that first one yeah it's uh pretty much yeah yeah um we got i feel like we got better and more efficient and then we got

the novelty ran off, uh, wore off and we got, we, we didn't get as, we had to keep upping it just to get the same, uh, adrenaline, um, which was the, the dangerous part.

You know, we were thinking about other things as well.

So other things like bigger targets.

Okay.

Yeah.

More money, um, higher stakes, higher stakes, higher thrills, high risks, um,

Yeah, higher consequences.

That's what I mean.

I'm glad I got caught because, yeah, that was just time.

Yeah, it had everything.