Jay Pukepuke

The one with the running... You had me at running track.

Yeah, Ngāwhā.

Ngāwhā and then Ngāwhā Springs.

Right.

North of Whangarei.

Yeah.

But, you know, that's after the...

There's a lot of dangerous men in there.

You're getting told what to do, when to get locked down, when to open up.

There's always a threat of violence and standovers and all that things you'd think of as well.

I guess all of that was there.

I just remember...

Try to remember, you know, take the best out of it and what I learnt.

And I remember one stage in my leg, I remember thinking to myself, well, I'm here.

I might as well take it for granted and get everything I can out of it.

And then I ended up doing a sport recreation paper at Northern Polytech in Ngāwhā.

And I met a guy who brought me into Auckland Hotel and Chef's Training School, where I became chef afterwards.

So all those things came out of prison and prison.

Other things can come out of prison too, but it depends what you take out of prison.

So it's kind of, that's just my story, you know?