Jen Brister

Un petit peu. I don't want to get into it because I don't want to embarrass Kate. Or yourself, Greg, actually. Thank you. But I am very excited about this particular episode, not least because it is French history, what a joy, but because I actually know who this person is. And this is the first time I've been invited onto the show with a historical figure whose name I recognise, so I'm delighted. Marie Antoinette, you know the name, so do you know some of the story?

So, what do you know?

You use the second name. Because she was also one of the youngest in the family, she was also referred to as Antoinette, which is the French diminutive, meaning little Antoine. And in the end, that's the name that stuck. It's cute. Yeah, they do that in Spain as well. They have a little diminutive name. They're all called Maria. I feel like that. 16 kids, come on. No, well, the boys weren't called Maria. What were they called? Franz. Leopold, Josef.

Hyvä, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri, suuri.

Yes, I imagine she's planning a very prestigious marriage into a very prestigious court in France. Yeah, bang on. I mean, that's the plan, right? Absolutely, got it in one. Yeah, so we're minutes into the episode, already wedding bells. We're talking about a little girl here. Yes, we are. Oh, wait a second, hang on, rewind. I was talking about in the future. No, no. She had been betrothed as a child. She is betrothed as a child. Maria Theresa's plan is for her to marry the French king Louis XV's grandson.

Okay. Aren't all boys lanky? It's quite a standard boy. That is a teenage boy. Is it quite usual then to get married before they're 16? Oh, it is? It is normal, yes.

Average people know, but for princes, for dynastic marriages. But for royalty. So she has got to that point now at the age of 13. She's going to now move away from her home in the Vienna court to go to Paris to live with her new husband who is unmarried.

Why does it have to make sure that she's... There's a going to bed ceremony. Oh, come on. It's hard. I mean, we've all... I remember our first time. Can you imagine with an audience? Anything worse?

eivät ole enää tyytyväisiä uudelleenpäin. He näyttävät olevansa jollia, eivätkä he välttämättä tarvitse ihmisten tarpeita. Esimerkiksi työpaikkojen Parissa ja Franseissa. Mielestäni on paljon huolta ja huolta. Silloin tulevien ongelmien onnistumiset ovat jo olemassa, eikö niin? Ne ovat jo olemassa, kyllä. Jane, miten olisit käsitellyt asioita, jos olisit Mariana Twinettä? Mikä olisi sinun poliisi, jotta ihmiset rakastaisivat sinua?

Well, I would think I would do something for the people and make a really big gesture that was like, you know, oh guys, I've got this great big party and I'm going to put it on for you because I love you and I really want you to know that I care about you. So you'd say let them eat cake? I would say, yeah.

Mutta syrjinnän ja ensimmäisen lapsen välityksellä syrjinnän ja ensimmäisen lapsen välityksellä syrjinnän ja ensimmäisen lapsen välityksellä syrjinnän

Are there any redeeming qualities to Marie Antoinette other than that she's a party girl that is very self-involved, suffered a lot of losses as a mother? Anything else going on for her that we can give her a little bit of cheerleading for? Okay, we can certainly try. How about her being an important figure in the patronage of arts and culture?

Tämä on yllätys, että hän ei koskaan halunnut heitä. Hän ajatteli, että heillä ei ollut tarpeeksi rahaa. Ja hän oli edelleen koko ajan syönyt. Kyllä, se oli hänen elämänsä.

So here's where I think maybe she's getting a hard rap. Because it doesn't sound to me that within the world that she lives in, in that sort of aristocratic sphere, that she is working particularly outside of that in terms of luxury, spending a huge amount of money on clothing. It all seems to be fitting in within the parameters of what is expected of a queen. Why does she get such a hard rap from the French people?

Mutta hän ei ole väärällä mitään näistä asioista. Kaikki ne ihmiset, jotka laittivat esiin kaikki tämä asia Marianne Toinetteista, ja tämä todella yllättyä siitä, miten aristokraatit eivät ole moraaleja, eivät ole mitään arvoja, arvojärjestelmä, kuitenkin käsittää kaikki niitä, koska ne kaikki ovat saaneet ylös, eivätkö he? He ovat kaikki tullut. Lisäksi yleisimmät ihmiset ovat tullut yhdessä terrorin aikana kuin nabiliinit.

Kyllä, ja erittäin yllättävä ja onnistunut Smeer-kampanja, joka todella ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä

Really interesting, Jen, isn't it? Yeah, and also the parallels about celebrity now. You can see them clearly, especially with social media. Because the printing press existed and people were able to get things out so much easier. It was much easier to augment your celebrity, but it was much easier to pull you down as well. Exactly. People will believe what they want to believe. And still do.