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Jessica Kriegel

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105 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think 30% of people were working in some hybrid environment last year, and we had plateaued in that return to office trend post-COVID, but now that plateau is starting to move again. So Amazon is the tip of the spear, and other organizations are following. So I really think this is going to be the 2025 workplace trend, is getting everyone back in the office. And it's not just back in the office.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think 30% of people were working in some hybrid environment last year, and we had plateaued in that return to office trend post-COVID, but now that plateau is starting to move again. So Amazon is the tip of the spear, and other organizations are following. So I really think this is going to be the 2025 workplace trend, is getting everyone back in the office. And it's not just back in the office.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think 30% of people were working in some hybrid environment last year, and we had plateaued in that return to office trend post-COVID, but now that plateau is starting to move again. So Amazon is the tip of the spear, and other organizations are following. So I really think this is going to be the 2025 workplace trend, is getting everyone back in the office. And it's not just back in the office.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

It's back in the office full-time. It's five days a week. It's sitting in assigned seats. And the problem that I see with that is that you've got people who are being forced to commute, forced to sit in uncomfortable clothes in a cubicle and deal with the cafeteria food or whatever it is, when they've enjoyed a different way for the last few years.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

It's back in the office full-time. It's five days a week. It's sitting in assigned seats. And the problem that I see with that is that you've got people who are being forced to commute, forced to sit in uncomfortable clothes in a cubicle and deal with the cafeteria food or whatever it is, when they've enjoyed a different way for the last few years.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

It's back in the office full-time. It's five days a week. It's sitting in assigned seats. And the problem that I see with that is that you've got people who are being forced to commute, forced to sit in uncomfortable clothes in a cubicle and deal with the cafeteria food or whatever it is, when they've enjoyed a different way for the last few years.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

The claim is always we are, quote, losing our culture, which I don't even know what that means. As a culture expert, I have no idea what losing a culture is or how that would manifest because it's a total make-believe cliche idea that is an excuse, right? What I think they mean is we don't know how to manage people remotely.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

The claim is always we are, quote, losing our culture, which I don't even know what that means. As a culture expert, I have no idea what losing a culture is or how that would manifest because it's a total make-believe cliche idea that is an excuse, right? What I think they mean is we don't know how to manage people remotely.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

The claim is always we are, quote, losing our culture, which I don't even know what that means. As a culture expert, I have no idea what losing a culture is or how that would manifest because it's a total make-believe cliche idea that is an excuse, right? What I think they mean is we don't know how to manage people remotely.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And so therefore, we're just going to go back into the office because it was easier that way. But they're saying they're losing their culture. They're saying that they need to be more collaborative and they need to create the moments of impact where people run into each other in the hallway at the water cooler, where they can sit in a break room and collaborate about an idea.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And so therefore, we're just going to go back into the office because it was easier that way. But they're saying they're losing their culture. They're saying that they need to be more collaborative and they need to create the moments of impact where people run into each other in the hallway at the water cooler, where they can sit in a break room and collaborate about an idea.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And so therefore, we're just going to go back into the office because it was easier that way. But they're saying they're losing their culture. They're saying that they need to be more collaborative and they need to create the moments of impact where people run into each other in the hallway at the water cooler, where they can sit in a break room and collaborate about an idea.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They can stand in front of a whiteboard and doodle things on the wall and be more creative and as a result, be better at their jobs. That's what they're saying, that people will be better at their jobs if they come into the office five days a week.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They can stand in front of a whiteboard and doodle things on the wall and be more creative and as a result, be better at their jobs. That's what they're saying, that people will be better at their jobs if they come into the office five days a week.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They can stand in front of a whiteboard and doodle things on the wall and be more creative and as a result, be better at their jobs. That's what they're saying, that people will be better at their jobs if they come into the office five days a week.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think one of the real reasons that people want to go back into the office is because they're totally lost on how to drive results in a hybrid environment. They cannot figure out how to stop tracking activity and start tracking outcomes and performance manage to outcomes, which is great leadership and harder leadership.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think one of the real reasons that people want to go back into the office is because they're totally lost on how to drive results in a hybrid environment. They cannot figure out how to stop tracking activity and start tracking outcomes and performance manage to outcomes, which is great leadership and harder leadership.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I think one of the real reasons that people want to go back into the office is because they're totally lost on how to drive results in a hybrid environment. They cannot figure out how to stop tracking activity and start tracking outcomes and performance manage to outcomes, which is great leadership and harder leadership.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Instead, they're so used to keeping their eyeballs on people and making sure people are doing their work and asking them, you What I'm doing is I'm saying, how many calls did you make? Did you make the calls? Did you put the calls in Salesforce? Did you get the AI bot to listen to your calls to give us some ideas about how your calls could be better?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Instead, they're so used to keeping their eyeballs on people and making sure people are doing their work and asking them, you What I'm doing is I'm saying, how many calls did you make? Did you make the calls? Did you put the calls in Salesforce? Did you get the AI bot to listen to your calls to give us some ideas about how your calls could be better?

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