Jessica Rose

So I guess let's start with the book. What can we expect to learn from reading Expired?

So I guess let's start with the book. What can we expect to learn from reading Expired?

And I remember last time we spoke, you had sort of embedded that history in the early days of being contaminated and smells and how we finally got over that, the idea that these were transmitted through the air and smells, and now we've got something that is transmitted through the air, and we can't get that back in our thinking.

And I remember last time we spoke, you had sort of embedded that history in the early days of being contaminated and smells and how we finally got over that, the idea that these were transmitted through the air and smells, and now we've got something that is transmitted through the air, and we can't get that back in our thinking.

This country, I don't know about the UK, but this country has a long history of doing things like this. People don't understand the opioid crisis is exactly the same story. We developed morphine sulfate and the hypodermic needle. Then physicians addicted millions of people to opiates.

This country, I don't know about the UK, but this country has a long history of doing things like this. People don't understand the opioid crisis is exactly the same story. We developed morphine sulfate and the hypodermic needle. Then physicians addicted millions of people to opiates.

And then the Harrison Narcotic Act came out here that literally jailed 20,000 physicians as the source of that epidemic of opiates. For the next 40 years, doctors did not use opiates except under the most extreme circumstances. By the time we hit the 70s, we have people living for decades with cancer and cancer pain that we would not give them pain medicines to.

And then the Harrison Narcotic Act came out here that literally jailed 20,000 physicians as the source of that epidemic of opiates. For the next 40 years, doctors did not use opiates except under the most extreme circumstances. By the time we hit the 70s, we have people living for decades with cancer and cancer pain that we would not give them pain medicines to.

Now a pain medicine group rose up and said, oh my God, pain is what the patient says it is. Pain is the fifth vital sign. you are opiophobic and the answer has always been there in the poppy flower and we need to use as much as the patients say. And of course, my patients took full advantage of that and those same doctors killed my patients by the hundreds. So there we go.

Now a pain medicine group rose up and said, oh my God, pain is what the patient says it is. Pain is the fifth vital sign. you are opiophobic and the answer has always been there in the poppy flower and we need to use as much as the patients say. And of course, my patients took full advantage of that and those same doctors killed my patients by the hundreds. So there we go.

Having made it a legal issue, a political issue, not a medical issue, you get repercussions going both directions. And the interesting thing to me

Having made it a legal issue, a political issue, not a medical issue, you get repercussions going both directions. And the interesting thing to me

about that opioid story is Deborah Birx used the same playbook as the opioid pain medicine group did to bring upon the opioid pandemic here in the United States, which was she went from state to state and got the regulatory agencies, the political powers that be, the state medical societies to sign on. And that was that. And then it was on.

about that opioid story is Deborah Birx used the same playbook as the opioid pain medicine group did to bring upon the opioid pandemic here in the United States, which was she went from state to state and got the regulatory agencies, the political powers that be, the state medical societies to sign on. And that was that. And then it was on.

The Sackler family.

The Sackler family.

It's so odd how you could put it like a ledger together and document topic by topic how the exact same thing went on in this pandemic. And maybe we need to have like a dynamic explanation and a frame, a name frame for it. If it shows up again, people can go, oh, it's that.

It's so odd how you could put it like a ledger together and document topic by topic how the exact same thing went on in this pandemic. And maybe we need to have like a dynamic explanation and a frame, a name frame for it. If it shows up again, people can go, oh, it's that.

Yeah.

Yeah.