Johan Weckhuyzen
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And already for this year, I can say for the first time, we split up the world championships. Because we have already a first world championship in Belgium in end of April for the search and rescue dogs.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Because Greece already told us because, okay, maybe you know, normally it should be in Portugal this year.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Then we were blocked. Okay. And we could find Greece that organized two years ago or three years ago, three years ago.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yeah. We had now Italy, Romania. And before Romania, it was also in Greece. So Greece said they put out the helping hands. And But they could not do the search and rescue and not the sheep herding. So we say, okay, no problem. We organize it on a different date. And now we have, because we had nobody, so my club in Belgium, we decided, okay, we do the search and rescue.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I must say for me, that is a very, very important step that we do. because the search and rescue for me for the future is a very important discipline because if we check on the sport and all the difficulties we have with animal welfare so with search and rescue there is i mean as far as i know like there are different
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And by ERO, which is not FCI association, but they work a lot together. So FCI and ERO, they accept the judges from the other association. And you can compete in both of the competitions. So the rules, and like with all the competitions we do, our standard rules are FCI rules. We have...
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
have signed a contract with fci that we follow the rules and that we take fci judges and things like that but we are not a real fci member we are recognized we have a cooperation contracts let's say like that which is not a bad thing i think you know No, I think it's a good thing because like I always say, you don't have to invent the warm water.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
If something is there and you can use it, you can better use it and say, hey, I will make up something completely new and then the rules, they are a little bit different and
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, how I started with Lacroix is because in my club in Leke, I had a good friend, Johan, also Johan, and he was competing in obedience with a Lacroix female. And in the club, he was also in the club in Leke. In the club, he was also training some bike work because he wanted to do the CQN.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
CQN is like a little Belgian ring program, but for dogs that are doing shows and that want to have a Belgian championship title. That's like a test they have to do. So I said at that time, oh, Everybody has like a Malinois. And I saw this with the curly hair. And in that time, I also had a little bit curly hair. But that's one time ago.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes. And no, but I like the dog a lot. And he was working very well. And so I said, hey, Johan. I had my old English sheepdog and at that moment my girlfriend, before I was at that moment, she said, no, no second dog and this and that. And so one day she decided to split up and leave. So the next day I was calling for a dog. And I say, hey, if she come back, it's too late. Then I have my dog.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But OK, she didn't come back. OK, but that's history. But Johan said, hey, but the breed where I bought before I work together, they have a little right now and we can go. And at that time, I didn't know anything about the shepherds because that would be the first one that I buy. And but. I'm somebody, I'm always trying to be informed before I do something.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And so I checked a bit on the lake and this and pedigrees, and I needed to understand a little bit. And when we went there, the lady, Evelyn, it was the kennel van Krikkebosch, with Evelyn, who was the breeder. And so Evelyn, she explained me everything. And she showed me the pedigrees. And in Belgium, you know, we have the white pedigrees and we have the rose pedigrees. Yeah.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And the white pedigrees, there's a full pedigree, a full generation of... Yes. And in Belgium, you can... If your dog has no pedigree, you can, by show... get a rose pedigree, but then only the name of the dog that did the show is mentioned. And that's an annex in the stud book. And so when I checked, the puppies, they would have a rose pedigree.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I said, hey, but this, how can I do, how can I compete? And then she explained to me, yes, but you are, you know, the mother of your Lachenrohr, the one that I bought in Max, the mother of that, She is a mixed breed between a Malinois and a Lackenois. So at that moment, I was worried. I said, holy shit, no, I want a purebred dog.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But Johan, on the way back home, he said, no, no, no, it's 100% sure. It's official and this and that. So then I decided anyway to take a Lackenois. But the Lacanois, the mother was mixed from Malinois and Lacanois. And later on, when I started to study well in pedigrees, I could see that also the mother of the mother, I'm pretty sure that also there was Malinois in behind.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I cannot find it back on the pedigree. But that's one of the problems in the early years.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And also, if you go back in history and you go back to the first docks that were registered in the start of the 1900s, because the first Malinois in the Belgium stud book was in 1902, 1903, something like that. I think the name was Vos, Vos de Polders. Okay. But if you check all the origins, the Malinois, the start of the Malinois and the start of the Léguenois, they come out of the same parents.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
They have not the same parents really, but the same dogs are in both pedigrees. So this brings that sometimes in breeding of Malinois, sometimes you get Malinois with like a little rough coat, a stripe of rough coat on the back. And this is the origins of the Lachlan one that is now more than 100 years ago. But we still see it.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And so when they did this intervariation, where Malin Max was coming out of, also there, the dog that they used, he had already given Malin was with such a rough coat on the back. Of course. And so we didn't lose so much of the coat by doing it. I didn't do it. It was Evelyn who did it at that time. So the coat of this second generation was already perfect Lachenois.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And so if you talk now, when you say, okay, the Lachenois and the Malinois all depends on the bloodlines that you use. And if we see, like we mentioned at the start, my friend Jos with Kishot, he competed with the best Malinois and he could get sometimes better points than the best Malinois.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
when you competed with Nikita. Uh-huh.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
That's true. And it's a funny story. But the first time that Jos went for his IPO, well, at that time it was IPO war.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
uh what is now igp right but uh so the first time just to help him i said okay just uh i have also won i will train a little bit igp and uh i go with you to support you right even i was a ring guy but i did it and so we went both with one luck to competition in the doberman club and they see us coming they say hey Poodles are not welcome here on competitions like this. Yeah, okay. We do our best.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes, and I was there with my good friend, Jos. Jos. Who competed with his rock and roll, Kishot.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
We do our best. After the competition, because Jos, he did the bite work. And if I remember well, he left the field with 99 in bite work. Everybody was like, oh, how did this dog do that? And later on in his career, lots of time on world championships,
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
the helpers that did the bite work, they come and see me and they say, hey, fuck, Johan, the bite, the hardest bite we had on our arm, it was lack of law. How did you do that? How did you do that? So it was very funny. But I must say Quichotte, he was later on very important in my breeding because he gave very social dogs, what is sometimes a problem in the Laconois.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I can recognize quite fast the dogs out of this origin and Quichotte was used quite a lot. And we see people that use him on beauty lines and start to, because most of the Laconois, I say beauty lines, When I started with Max, there was not so much working with Delacroix. It was because he was very rare.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And also one of the nice things I had, one day we competed in the Holland Championship of the club. And all the big Malinois handlers from that time, they were participating, right? Like Techlar, like Van Rossum, Knopp, all the big ones that came to the World Championships. And they didn't know so well Joss, and they didn't know so well Quichotte.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I think that was the first time that we met.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And Quichotte, he was lucky to do the last dog bite work.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
so everybody was standing there because bite work you know how it is when dogs biting in IGP everybody is watching dogs do the obedience but okay you see a little bit public because then it's the time to go and drink something but everybody was there standing and I remember still because now still my head on my arms is starting to raise the judge he started his command when he finished the thing
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, he said, when I look now, it's a shame I have to wait to the last dog to see the dog was really biting. So all the other ones were like, oh! And I was like, holy shit, what is this? And also there, he stepped out with 99 points in the bite work. And that's for a Lacanois. So those are really...
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I still have. I have semen from mucks, my lachenois. I have semen from quichots. And I have semen from one of my famous marinois.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Very, very stupid. Because I'm not so strong in names, because some of the guys that buy puppy from me say, hey, Johan, where did you pick up this name? Where did you pick up this name? It was for the litter of Quichotte, because I must say, I was not really interested in start breeding. So I had a couple of litters with Max, with my Lackenois.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But that was on the kennel name of Krikkebosch or from my friend Johan on the Van Toogkwartier. That were the two kennels. I said, yeah, but on your name, if it's female from you, it's on your kennel name. It's female from you, it's on your kennel name. And one day, I do the breeding for Quichotte.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And so I called to Evelyn and said, hey, Evelyn, my female daughter from Max, she had the puppies and I mated him with this male. Can you ask for the pedigree? And she said to me, Johan, the male you used, I don't like him. I don't ask pedigrees for this. I say, what? What do I do now? No, it's your problem. Oh, okay.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
So then I had to ask in Saint-Hubert very quickly a kennel name because without kennel name, it's not there. And if you ask a kennel name at that time, I don't know how it is now, but at that time we had to give 10 names. Yes. So I was like looking into history and some historical names and say, oh, maybe that, maybe that. And so the last one was over. Shit, what else can I put?
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
What else can I put? And I'm from Newport where we organized also a second time, third time, the world championship in 2012. I'm from Newport and there is an old tower there. from the 13th century. And the name in our language is Duvetor.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I said, oh, like I'm from Newport. I will call him. I will say the last one for the Duvetor. It's the 10. They will never take it. Okay.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
so good one that's the history of my calendar and i will say the duvetor it's how you say it's the language that we really speak in newport and that's a real dialect and it comes from the devil And the devil with L is the devil. So it's the devil's tower. And they have ancient pictures from the First World War. Normally it's the St. Laurentius Tower when he was destroyed by the Germans. And
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
That was not the first time that the tower was destroyed. Every war where Newport was involved, they destroyed the tower. So the local people said, hey, this is the work of the devil. We cannot have such a nice tower. So it's the devil's tower because he is doing all these things. And that's how we call it in the dialect. They started to cut the L like Duve.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But if you take a pigeon in our language, it's a Duif. And more pigeons, it's Duiven. So a lot of people think it's the pigeon's tower. No, it's not. It's the devil's tower.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, I must say when I graduated from university as a school teacher for sport, what I never did. I never was in school. I just gave private trainings or whatever, but not in school. But I have my university degree. And I bought myself a dog the day that I graduated. And it was an Old English Sheepdog.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
That's true. And what is interesting also is that later on,
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
because you know I'm a collector everything I can see pictures from Belgian Shepherds or books or whatever I try to buy them or bronze statues whatever when I see something from Belgian Shepherds I will not let it go because here in my office we have a little office for the FMDB and there I have lots of books lots of books I have lots of statues I have paintings everything that we can get our hands on
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
We buy it. And by searching like this, I collected some cards, some old pictures from Newport, from the Devil's Tower. And I had one card where I say, hey, this is just like a Malinois on the picture. But it's very small, but you can really see the type. And I'm 100% sure it's a Malinois, right?
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And then later on, my father, who was doing always, you know, the genetics of people, starting to fill in the family tree, like we say. And he collected things. And then he collected some pictures from my great-grandfather with a Malinois. And then I could find out that he was in the years 1920, 1930, he was a member of the Newport Dog Sport Club doing ring sport.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
So that was for me a big surprise because me, let's say nearly 100 years later, I see that my great-grandfather had the same hobby as I had.
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For me, that's also very, very crazy.
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I had very good contacts with him because we had the same interests about the history and everything. And Jean-Marie, he died a couple of years ago. But now his daughter is still keeping on all the collections of things that he has. And she still sells the books that he has. I already talked about it.
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And we will try to put something on our website to promote those things because Jean-Marie wrote very interesting books about history.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
because it was in 1984 and of course because I know nothing about dogs I said I need to go to a club so after a couple of trainings they started to tell me about dog sport and competitions and I was like oh okay Like I'm a really sport guy. Okay, competition. And I'm motivated. And so I started to do some obedience with the dog.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, like I said, when I started with my Lake & Wine, the club in Lake, with Lucia, who teach me everything about the training, how it was done at that moment. Because, like I mentioned at the start, I have a university degree on how to train people for different kind of sports.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yeah. And so Lucien, he trained me. I was his decoy for quite a long time. And at that moment, he was competing with Gaillard du Moscail, who was three times Belgian champion in the different categories in the ring sport. In our club, we had Lut, who was a veterinarian. And she owned a dog from Depotois. GV2 on a Biber daughter. And Lut decided to do a mating with Gaillard de Moscaille.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I was there with my lacroix and said, yeah, but maybe I take a little malinois just for fun and to train. And so I bought pita from Lutz.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Elgos pita. Yes, exactly. And so with Pita, we did a few little competitions in ring sport. But then she entered in my ballet. I started to breed with her. And at that moment, I started to know Luke very well because I met him quite a lot with Evelyn, with my lacquer law. Or when we go on Ring Sport with Lucien, we went for training in Dornick. I was always with Lucien, always.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I was always... So, Luc always said, you should come to my club. And now I'm very... I have my... But all my training, let's say, it's Lucien who orientated me. And Luc, he orientated me in the breathing. Because when I had my female, I said, Luc, I said, yeah, you should use Ergos. So, okay. I used Elgos four times. I did four times the same combination.
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And then I started to become very, very good friend with Luc because through Luc and Andre Varley, I started to work as freelance
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
for royal canon where i had to visit the clubs and i remember those times yeah i remember those times and uh so when we went we looked to to an exposition we always shared the hotel room and we were always together and look he was really really really good friends and look he teach me everything he teach me all the the lines were to take care of what you could expect.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And in 88, I competed for the first time in the Belgium Championship in obedience, Belgian obedience. And in 88 also, that's...
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, let's say it's now a couple of years. It's from before Corona. I didn't see Luke anymore. Yeah. Just before or just after Corona, we had still a nice meal together with Paula. You know Paula from Switzerland?
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
important date because january 88 i bought my first belgium shepherd and like you mentioned already it was a lakanoa and his name was max van krikkebos and i must say it is in my heart when i do something i go for not 100 i go for 200 and so i meet people i meet people with belgium shepherds so that's the reason i bought myself a lakanoa
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Okay, so look, I don't know in exactly what year he started to breed, but when he started to breed, he was breeding mostly on the lines of flap.
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With, what's the name now? Cartouche. No, no, no, no. Cartouche is different. That was the second wave of Luxe breathing. The first wave, it was the flop line with the famous French guy. I'm bad in names. I'm very bad in names.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Maybe it will come. Yeah, it will come. So he started breeding that and he was not so happy with that. And so in the early 80s, then he started to see some dogs in the NVPK and he started to know Mark de Welde. And Mark de Welde, he owned Jebiber and Cartouche. And then he started to use these dogs. And GV2 and Biber, they have the same father.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
They are both out of Cartouche, but a different mother. Where GV2 is then a second time on the line of Arad, who is behind Cartouche. And so he started on that. And then he started to have his real, real good, strong dogs. And then the third wave was after he started to use Zergos. So that's with the three waves that I can say we've looked, that we can see.
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And that is very interesting how we did it. And he used other lines where he said, hey, Johan, stay away from that because you see this and this and these problems. And I must say in all the years now we are nearly Nearly 30 years after 1985, we are 25, so it's 40 years. And those things that Luke told me and teach me about the bloodlines, I still can see that.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And people say, yeah, but that's not possible. But the traces, sometimes the look of the dogs, you can say, hey, they go back on that, they go back on that. And if you see the look, it goes also with temperament and the character, because Everything is genetic.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And if you see, let's say, in the 80s, the French dogs, they were quite small and they were all, let's name it, the Louboutins, they were small dogs. The males, they were the size of a very small female in the Baudouin lines. So that is, we can still see things that you say, hey, but this is typical French line. This is typical this line. This is typical NDBK line. Also of the look.
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The look gives you already the information about the bloodline. And if you know what characteristics the bloodline is giving, you can have a...
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good probability that the puppies will be all like the father or like the mother but okay if you do some line breeding you know what you do and you can know what you can expect if you do completely out crosses you know nothing you know nothing that's that's one of the big things in the breeding and everybody say yeah but in breeding and line breeding ah but
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And all the luck for me, the lady that was breeding the Lachen was, she also had the dogs from Luc, from the depot to a kennel at home with her. She took care of about, I don't remember exactly, but maybe 10, 15 dogs of Luc were in her place and a lot of litters were born in her place. So that's also how I met Luc. In that time when I met Luc, I was already in a club.
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Without, I tell you, they ask me, they show me pedigrees. They say, Johan, what do you think? What can we get?
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It's throwing a dice in Las Vegas. If I see the pedigree, I can see 25 different males with no connections. So, yeah, it can be anything. If you see, let's say, like Luke Brett with Bieber on GV2 or the other way around. Hey, you know, hey, there's Cartus, there's Cartus. Okay. The probability that you will get something like this is, of course, much bigger.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes. But that is why also things that Luke teach me and then with the research that I did, there were very, very interesting articles written about inbreeding in the 50s by Mr. Verbank, who was a real Belgian shepherd guy who had really high standard in the and how he could write things about the Belgian Shepherds. And Mr. Verbank was a very important guy in the history of the Belgian Shepherds.
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Yes, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. He was from Ghent originally. I don't know.
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Yes. Because I know there is a lot of things said now lately about this inbreeding. And I say inbreeding, okay, inbreeding, that's a father on his daughter or a son with his mother or brother and sister, that's inbreeding. All the rest is said line breeding. If you take nieces or grandfathers, then you go on line breeding. But
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
In the inbreeding, really inbreeding, it has been done quite a lot in the Belgian Shepherd in all history. If we check on the start, because the history of the Belgian Shepherd, we have two important males that started the breed. That was Chop and the Wet. Those are the two most important dogs. And Chop and the Wet, if you see the pedigrees from that time, wow. I never breed like they did.
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Huh? And after this start where it was a lot, a lot inbreeding, I must say in the whole history, we can find back dogs that were important, but that were issues of two, three generations of really strong inbreeding. And despite all the inbreeding that has been done with the Belgian Shepherds, we can say we have quite a healthy breed.
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And it's not because it's like that, that you don't have, you have to take care, you have to know and understand what you do. Because the inbreeding, if people talk about this, they say it's bad, it's bad, it's bad, because it will accentuate the problems that the dogs have.
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Yeah, but which stupid guy will do inbreeding with dogs with problems? That's what I, that's my question.
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I changed from a club, from an obedience club. I went to a Belgium ring club. And there I came in contact with Lucien Riviere, who was 17 times Belgium champion in ring sport. And there I started to do decoying. I started to train. And of course, when you're a sport guy and you compete, you want to win, you want to do good and
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Because I can say with stone, I did some really inbreedings. I did three or four times. I made a stone on one of his daughters, but different daughters, I must say.
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I got dogs. Wow. Hey, you could see, you put them up and if you do an inbreeding like that, then you can see also the value of your male.
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Because if you do an inbreeding, a male on his daughter and the puppies are, let's say, shit, well, you put your male at the garbage.
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If you have there the product that you say, holy shit, this is 100% the father's side that we see, that is also the father of the mother, well, then you know that your dog will be of any interest in the breed because you will see the qualities of the snow. And that you can only verify in my knowledge by doing this inbreeding.
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And when we did that with Stonk, well, we saw he was really giving what we wanted. And like in Germany, Stonk, he did only two meetings in Germany. But one of the meetings was the letter of Kasper Futtermohr. Our friend from Futtermohr helped me.
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I really want to do mating with stone with my female Aika who was several times on the podium in IGP because I want to have a little bit more strong dogs and I want to well if we see the litter of cuspid wow hey you check all the pictures and you put a picture of stones There are copies, and there is no inbreeding. And then you see Kasper, what he bred, we have Fritz von Brunbeker's land. Shit.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
You put a picture of stone next to it, it's stone. And now we start to see children of Fritz, and we still see the same thing. So then we can say, this is a dog that is really tracing, really giving his qualities. Because from the litter of Kasper, the first year they competed, they were super, super happy. They were like, wow, now we have it.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But then, I must say, the way they trained their dogs in Germany, that's not the type of training that those dogs needed. Because after one year, out anymore.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
They were disqualified for the biting because no more out, because too strong, because too much used to the, let's say, a little bit easier dogs that have an out and that you have to support all the time, where you support the ones that we had. If you support too much Turkodos.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Every time I go, I went one step further and further with my Lakenwas in the start. And with Max, I can say, I don't remember the date, I think in 92, I was competing then already in Campania. And in Campania, I became champion with the Lakenwas against the Mallis and the Bouviers that were competing at that time. And with Lucia, so I did a good evolution.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
No, no. But that we had also with Stone, if you, I'm pretty sure if we could train those dogs with the techniques we have now from dog training, Wow.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I'm 100% sure. Because I know that when Mario trained with Stone, he was really nice. He was, I would say, nearly same as he did with Yagos. He had an obedience very nice. Yes, yes. Until one day that Mario said, now, I think he did have enough attention for me. And maybe he was a little bit nervous, Mario.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And he said, now you will up, I will force you to do. And since then, his obedience was over. Since then, he was doing obedience, but not so intense, not so attentive anymore as he did before. And I know that from Elgos, they say the same thing. When people say, yeah, but we don't like Elgos because he's so slow in obedience. He's this, he's that.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yeah, but for those dogs, that's the type of training. If you do the motivation type of training with those dogs, wow, then you have...
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, I've done a few when people ask me. Then I give like a little seminar. Maybe two, three hours. It depends on how many questions are coming. But I make up a little PowerPoint with the history of the Belgian Shepherd.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And then I start from the start. What are we looking for? How can we achieve what we are looking for? How did the breeders do everything? How were the combinations made? And I think I did it now two or three times. And people loved it.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But, you know, I need, you know how much time it took before I could accept our speech today. But I need time to make it a real professional PowerPoint. then i can go everywhere now it's a powerpoint made by myself like a real amateur because i'm not a computer guy but that's why i'm telling you there is there are some young kids that are
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And at the same time, Luke came there with the breeding program. I started to know. So I bought my first Malinois, I think in 1990. And so, okay, then it goes quickly because you go and you go, you do one step further and two steps further. And in very short time, I had 10, 15 dogs at home. So in 95, I started then professionally as a boarding kennel.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
It's completely different. It's completely different. I must say, how should I say? I started in the Belgium Marine Club, in the Obedience Club, then Belgium Marine Club, where at that time in the 80s, it was quite common, training were done mostly by force. We say, and the dog do, and he has no choice. That was the way how it was trained.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But I must say with my studies, my university studies, being a teacher, a trainer for people, I said, hey, there should be other different ways how it can be done. And so in 1992, I met a guy in the Club of Mario with Julien. And I met Geert Bolster. And Geert, he was then busy already in dog sports. with clicker trading and he was talking on prior and this and he explained everything.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes. And So I was really fun. I followed immediately some courses with them because I say, yeah, but this is more the way how I think things should be done because all work only with punishment. That's not really in my style. And also I have two children. I never punished my children and I can say they are raised perfectly. I'm super happy. And we see now with the last dogs that we do,
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
We always do it without any punishment. I don't say that you never need punishment. That's something else. But the problem is you talk 99% of the time about how you can train with rewards or taking away rewards. And you talk 1% about giving or taking away a punishment. It's the 1% that 99% of the people will keep in mind as most important. So when I teach, I never talk about the punishments.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I will only talk about the punishment when it's really needed. And when you do the things correctly, it's very rare you need the punishments. That's my opinion now.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes, exactly. Right. Exactly. So when we started with that, it was quite funny because I was invited in Finland to give a seminar with with Tarmo Antila, who was breeding Turfurans.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was there also, in the seminar that I did. But it was quite funny because Tarmo was there, who had a sister of later, later of Turquodos, And so now I must say, I see quite a lot of turbulence with really good quality. But if you see the size of them and the type, Unmistakable. Yes. And you go back and you see they come a lot from NPA, with NPA origins.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And the boarding kennel, okay, was interesting to do with my wife. But that's not really my thing. I went really in the dogs, in the sport. And with Luke, I met André Varlet, who is still my vice president, who is now recovering from a very bad accident he had in August last year. But I can say he's doing well now. So that's good. And from one came another.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Now, one of the latest ones, NPA, I don't remember, Holden is used quite a lot. And I see a lot of Tervoen's out of him, but with the type of Holden. And Holden is, I think, a great grandson of Bichot, also Jos Malinois, son of Stoltz. And you see the type. When I see them right away, I know I go at this, yes, it's that. Harry Groen was there, and Tarmo.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And we come in the classroom, and I said, hey, I come, but I don't come alone. Because now the way we train, I have Julien, who did the competitions with Turcodos.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And here, the bolster, they would come, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, because they were expecting 40 or 50 people in the seminar. So we go there in the first morning, and it's Geert who take the word. I said, I'm here just to help and to, I let Geert do, because that's the way how we do it now. And Geert started to explain everything about the clicker training. And at noon,
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
It was a big group, I'd say maybe 40, 50 people. And a lot of women, but all different kinds of sports. There were ladies doing doggy dance and agility, and it was a group of IGP. And at noon, the whole group of IGP, Johan, Johan, we invited you not to have this shit. We want to train like Mario is training, with stone, in a very hard way. I said, yeah, but we don't do anymore. That's the past.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Things have changed. That's history. Because now Mario is... That was the moment that he was starting with Jagus. And I said, no, Mario now is training with Jagus and we do the clicker training. So for a couple of days, they refused to follow the seminar. They don't believe... They didn't believe in it. They said, no, this is for circus dogs and this and that.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But at the end, we could show some things that they started little by little coming back to us. Tarmo, he followed because he came to train with us in Ghent. But it was strange. And then we see later on how everything changed and more and more people started to train this way. So now coming back to the detection, When I started with the detection, I met my friend Joseph, who was in the army.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And in 2008, when we started the company with him, I was involved in the company. He asked me, I was part of 40% in his company. And the way of training that was done, like they did in the French army, was hiding the explosive, but putting the explosive before the ball or the reward. And they teach the dog to search the reward. And they learned the sense and the association, like you say.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Now we don't do that anymore. We are completely changed. I must say, I have studied quite a lot about how we can train in the operand conditioning, that you know very well. And by doing that, and you do it correctly, It's rare. We need to punish. And like we already mentioned, if you say then, they say, oh, shit, we did something wrong.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And they correct themselves because they go so much for this reward that they want. And they have to work to get the reward. They don't have to find the reward. That's a very big thing. Right. We say, if you teach a puppy now for an explosive, well, we start at eight weeks.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Well, when the puppy is 10 weeks, I can show you little videos, puppies of 10 weeks that is doing the job of another dog of one year, one and a half year old. And they have a perfect indication. And they thought, of course, they're not ready to work in reality.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Exactly. They show they understand what they should do. And they never had to search for the reward because the reward, we give the food and we drop the food. And it's incredible, the results that we get with that. So that's changed a lot. But we see, if I check here in Europe, I don't speak in other countries. Norway, they are very high level already.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And so I came completely involved in the docs. Professionally, it brought me. with the boarding kennel, I came into the position that people start to ask me, hey, Johan, can you find us a dog? We need dogs for the army. We need dogs for this. We need dogs for that. So I came in this world from buying and selling dogs, adult dogs, trained dogs.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I had some contacts with Bruno Fjellanger, who wrote books in the 90s about the rest methods in Africa, where for a
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
convention in geneva where also stuart hilliard wrote quite a chapter about dog training right so they are really really strong in detection just like npa in bosnia but they are coming norway it's all the same thing and uh but for the rest in europe i see a lot they still train like it was done in the 80s and the 90s and that's difficult that's difficult
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But there are no secrets. There are no secrets. If we start, we start with an order. Normally, we start with a neutral order. So with a neutral order there, I mean we make like a kind of oil by mixing some different things together that we know if he finds this, this is something that you'll never find in real life. But by using a neutral oil,
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
even if something goes wrong the dog will never associate it with the order that he has to find later in his career if if you start okay you say we need a drug detection dog we start to search on heroin or we start to search on tnt and something goes wrong in the training you have never to be afraid that later in his career when he finds this tnt or this uh
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
heroin or cocaine, he will never think about, hey, I was punished.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
But I say punished, not even punished, because something can go wrong that when he's searching, something is falling on him.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Exactly, exactly. So, and then, uh, when we see, he starts to recognize the older, we, we make it immediately. Every time, every three times after three, two, three rewards, we make it more difficult to make it more difficult to make it more difficult. And that's the thing that I see in the training that people don't do enough. We explained something. We say, hey, you should train that.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And we say, for example, you know, we train the dog, for example, to go on the spot on the ground, on a little wooden plunge.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
so we say people we show and then you do it for a week but for a week they will do on the moment the dog put one feet on the object they are happy and they reward yeah and then they come after one week and they say hey but he's not sitting on no but we rewarded only on putting yeah but if you put only this now it will be difficult because you made it so strong for him that when he put his feet
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
or one foot on the planche, on the object, he will be rewarded. If you do, if he do three times and you stop rewarding, he will say, hey, why I don't get my reward? And he will look to go further on. He will put his second one.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Exactly. And I must say, I did this demonstration one day in the 90s, and I had a puppy. I trained him already on sitting next to me or sitting in front of me, reward him with clicker. He knew the clicker, let's say it like that. And he was sitting. And I'm in the club and we are discussing about, they say, yeah, but Johan, your technique, it takes much too long and this and that.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
We had to prepare those dogs for the clients, like all those things. So that went on till, I think, about 10 years ago. It was interesting to know that my first client was Joseph Russella in 1992. I still remember very well. And Joseph Russella, he was buying dogs for French Army, for Air Force. And he was at that time already full-time busy with explosive detection dogs in the Army.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And it's not, no. And if we do sit, we push him on the ground and he's sitting immediately. And we see in two seconds, he's sitting. Yeah, but he don't know. exactly yeah but we see and from you it takes 10 minutes before he said the first time but they don't understand that the second time minus exactly Exactly.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I see now like the type of dogs that we breed, they're so fucking intelligent. If you do something three times and you don't make it more difficult, they lose interest. They don't want to work anymore. That's very true. And that is difficult. That is difficult in the training. We have much more problems to train the handler.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
It depends. It depends. It depends on what we work. Because in the start, we don't even use the clicker when we start. Because we teach him the clicker, first of all. But when we start on that, we throw the foot. When we throw the foot, we start searching on the wall or whatever.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And when we throw, for me, by throwing and the tick that gives my piece of foot against the wall is, in a matter of fact, replacing my clicker.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
The sound, the dog, oh, it's there. And then he gets away from his indication. If we use the clicker, we see the dog goes too much, click, and we check, we say, hey, I will get it. And now the noise is there, and the food is also immediately there. You know, tick, I can take it. That's the thing that we use.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
We use dog food. We use rye candy or proplan or whatever. The hard things that they eat. And I can say we have very, very good results with it.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I don't have really preference because we've both, we see we have good results.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I always say I prefer a good female than a bad male.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And he did a lot of things. He was responsible when he met me for buying the dogs, training the dogs, and training the teams. And that became a very, very intense relationship. And besides the sport, of course. And with Joseph, he changed from army to private companies in the year 2000, where he became responsible for the airport in Paris for all the detection dogs, for explosive detection dogs.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
most of the females that were used for breeding they were never trained just very good good character dogs but they they because most of the time they breed i talk about good breeds like luke uh when he was taking female i was female for breeding they did maybe some biting and something but they were not really trained right and uh They kept them at home and that's how it was.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Now we see that more and more people start to compete also, but it's not the training and the result of the training that will have a decision on the genetics.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And people say, hey, we will breed with the world champion. Is he the best dog? He's a good dog, that's for sure. But he's the best dog for breeding. He's lucky. He has a very, very good trainer. Very true. And some dogs, even dogs that never came to championships, that were extremely good for breeding. But people say, no, why do you use that? He was never in competition. I had an example.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I had a dog. He had three, four handlers and nobody could handle him. And I use him for breeding, saying, hey, why do you use him? Because he's a super dog. Sometimes people look too much to the results.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes. Yeah. Because you see it also in horse breeding. If you see in horse breeding and jumping, yeah, the foals that are sold best are the ones from where the mother is jumping 160 and the father is jumping 160.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
For me it's a problem. because we see that the number of dog sports in ring sport it's going down and it's going fast now like if we see that last year on the NVBK championships for the three championships together they had 30 dogs it's nothing When we say 20 years ago, you had the three categories, in every category you had 20 dogs, and you had to fight to get in the championship.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Now there's not one championship that is full. And also in the Belgium ring, Saint-Hubert, now Saint-Hubert has... taken a little bit again, a little bit up than maybe 10 years ago, because then it was very bad also. But the problem for me is that they don't want to adapt their methods, the way how they are training.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I am very, very sorry to say, but they are killing our sport by training all still the same way as they did 20 years ago. And they don't want to change. And the result is now with the animal welfare, when they comment on that, it's a big problem.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And he had 60 teams under him. After six years, he said, hey, Johan, six or eight years, he said, Johan, uh i start to get bored because i'm not working for myself and i want to start up a company and so i joined him in the company in france and we formed the company named k9 detection uh and and uh
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And I'm talking about that already very long, because also when I was doing this seminar in the late 90s in Finland, I said, yeah, but the way you want us to train, the way how Mario trains with stones, if we keep on going that,
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I must say I'm quite surprised because the young people, I think they have an intention to be interested in dogs and dog sports because every year now we go to schools because we want to recruit security agents for our company and like my company name is canine detection we give a little demonstration and we see that these young kids from let's say 18 19 20 years old
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
we have the most success with the demonstrations that we do and the way how we talk about the security and the security we do with the dogs because the security that we do with the dogs like searching for explosives on the airport or searching like we do in Zeebrugge in the harbor searching the
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
the illegal migrants that want to go to England that we search in the trucks and where we find nearly every day people so that is very rewarding and very it's fun working like that and we see that these young kids they are really interested the only thing what we don't have is enough people that can give quality training teachers Yes, that's what we miss.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And it's there, in my opinion, that we lose quite a lot of young kids if they go to ring sport. And it's one of my generation that will teach the young kids. And he's teaching the kid the way how they were trained 30, 40 years ago. The kids lose interest. It's normal.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And it's difficult because if you want to convince people to go to this way of training, hey... They laugh with you. They laugh your way. And if you show them, then they turn their back and they don't want to talk to you anymore.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
that was very very very intense let's say like that so i decided that brought good money i must say like this yeah yeah and so at that time i decided to go to start this same project in belgium but in belgium there was nothing yet there was no explosive dogs privately but with the law the european law that was there the possibility was present.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
not tomorrow or the weekend, but next week we can go on.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Because you hear that I really am very enthusiastic about talking, but this weekend I have a Mondioring competition and I need to go to the Club of Valère to pick up my things tonight. Very cool. And I need to go.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And it's also a guy from the Monduring. And he was his Belgium guy. He lived in Portugal for quite some years, maybe 10, 12 years, because he was married there. There he did dog sport. He was world champion Monduring for Portugal. But now he moved back to Belgium and he came to work for me. And when he heard, I was talking to say, hey, please ask. I want to have a podcast with you also.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Let me know. Let me know when we can go on.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Okay. And then I take care that I keep the whole evening free.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
So in 2011, I started with my new company in detection dogs, Canine Detection Belgium. And what I'm still doing now, about... Six years ago, I made up a new training center, canine detection training, because we need it for all the dogs that we train, that we use on the airport in Brussels and the airport in Ostende. And this is a bit the professional way how my career went.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
In 92, also the same year with Andre Varley, Andre, he started by organizing the first competition. for Belgium Shepherds, like a European championship in Germany. And there, it was at that time, Volker Riedel, who was organizing together with Peter Engel from DMC. And so André asked me, hey, Johan, can you check up if you can have an IGP contract? team to compete. I said, oh, IGP?
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
He said, nothing about IGP, I'm a ring guy. So I said, okay, I'll take a look and I will talk because most of the guys in the IGP at that time with Malinois were Flemish guys. So it was difficult for André and Luc, who are French speaking, to have the contacts. Tell me about this.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
very complicated yes yes and that's uh the first competition we did was in germany and we did igp and monduring and three years later in uh because okay then i was unlucky i must say unlucky by the way of speaking um because every time they did a meeting I was the only guy who spoke French, who spoke Flemish, who spoke German. And I speak four languages.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yeah. So as I had to translate all the time, everybody started to phone me and ask me all the questions. And yeah, I got really involved in, let's say, in what became FMVB.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes, exactly. And three years later, we organized in Breeden, where I still have my office here, the first world championship, because then a team from America was there.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
important event like it made the beginning of something great you know yes yes exactly exactly because on those every time on these competitions that's when we started to discuss with all the team leaders how we do next year and I got more and more involved and we said okay we decide and I must say there is for sure Andre who take really
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Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
the lead in in the planning and saying hey we should do that and that and i was a little bit the executor from all the plans that andre had and so we were growing and growing and then with all the talks we have all around we decided in 2003 to organize the first time in the han the multiple championship with all five disciplines And everybody said, hey, Johan, you're crazy, you're crazy.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
Yes, I know, I'm crazy. Like I said at the start, when I go for something, I go for 200%. And so that was, let's say, quite a good success.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
And another thing we also did in De Haan, when we did the parade with all the teams up in front, we had a guy from France, we were Lachenois, and some sheep. And it was also the first time that we tried to introduce the sheep herding in the... And I still have those pictures, of course.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
so that was also a thing that we planned and the next years after the hand okay we had some difficulties to find the countries that wanted to organize because they were i must say they were afraid it was scary this is a scary commitment how big it was even even today it's it's scary right yeah it's a yes that's that's true but so a good organization then uh
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
After the hunt, I know we went to Slovenia. And I remember very well, like in Slovenia, we also did the Monduring. Then I started from home with my van and my trailer behind with everything for the Monduring. Because in Slovenia, they had no Monduring. And I can say I did that for several years. On every competition I came, I put up the fields with some of my friends, of course.
Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Seven: Johan Weckhuyzen
I cannot do it alone. But like that, we could introduce the sport and... When we see that the last championship before we had Corona, it was in Czechia. There we had 850 dogs competing in all the different disciplines that we had because we started with five, but now we are on 10 already, 10 different competitions.