John Leake

I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

Robert was married and had three children.

Eleven days after that petition was filed... Robert was then found shot to death in his vehicle, parked in his home garage. Again, very cursory investigation. And then it was ruled suicide.

They made this assurance to Gloria Rarig that an indictment was imminent.

A couple of months goes by and there's nothing about a grand jury being impaneled. And it just didn't happen. I have no idea why it didn't happen.

Gloria then calls the prosecutor's office and is like, well, what's the deal? I thought that you guys were going to indict her.

The DA says the FBI is taking over the case. They have more resources and more jurisdictions.

She dropped her claim to block the remainder of the death benefit.

She quickly went down to the Dallas County Probate Court and had herself appointed administrator of his estate.

She was anxious for the payout as soon as possible.

She had the motives.

The Oklahoma City police kind of marveled at the fact that instead of simply cooperating to help them track down Allen's killer, she retained counsel and refused to talk to the police.

At a certain point, one has to start lending some credence to this just can't all be a coincidence.

Who was the victim hanging around with? What was going on in the victim's life?

They just couldn't find any evidence that he was hanging around with dangerous people. Pretty quickly, the Oklahoma City police detectives realized this is just pure assertion from the widow.

She would have had time to have committed this crime during the two hours before she actually met these people.

Sandra became heavily ostracized already in 1982, and Alan Rarig, her third husband, was not aware of this because he had only just moved to Dallas. from Oklahoma the day before he met her.

So he was not aware of her ostracism. But by the time Alan turns up shot, most of the community was frightened of her.

She said, I think he was involved in gambling debts. I think he might have owed a bookie money. She said, I think he was dabbling in cocaine. And so she dangles out all of this stuff. incriminating stuff about how he was hanging around with dangerous men.

Sandra said to the Oklahoma City police, you know, I think that Alan was involved in cocaine and that his old high school and college chump who lived in Edmond was his dealer.

The police did not perceive that as plausible at all.

Multiple persons who were privy to these events are very close to what was going on in real time. They've just chosen to remain silent about it.

She was either the black widow or bad luck. I don't know which.

The police rapidly concluded this guy was probably killed in Dallas.

Why would the culprit bother pushing him out of the driver's seat and then driving his dead body all the way to Oklahoma City?

She added a life insurance policy with a $220,000 death benefit. And that was a lot of money in 1985.

Are those items that are used to control and combat, shield against black lords?

Did she discuss it with you before she did it?

left behind a series of bizarre diaries and writings associated with Terry Hoffman and a group she founded called The Conscious Development of Body, Mind, and Soul, Inc.

The psychiatrist told the police, yeah, the guy was totally strung out and stressed out. The police found the testimony of the psychiatrist persuasive.

The indications were the guy had killed himself.

She didn't say that there was evidence of forced entry, that someone else came over that night. It was by her own testimony, she was the only other person in the house.

The thing I noticed about Sandra was, first and foremost, she just wasn't like other mothers. She drove a Mercedes 380 SL convertible, which is a two-seater. And at the time, I just thought, how come other moms don't drive that car?

I believe that when David said, I've had enough, I'm going to end it all, Sandra called Jack Sides not just to diffuse the situation, but she understood that he would serve as a witness or could serve as a witness.

If David then is found shot of an apparent suicide, this previous incident will be interpreted or perceived to be evidence that he did in fact finally carry it out.

She procured the psychiatrist, and I believe that the psychiatrist, his conception of David as being a troubled man, at least initially began with Sandra's representations of it.

Someone had tucked him in. The comforter on the right side of the bed has been smoothed out, and then the comforter has been tucked in along the backside of his buttocks and the backside of his legs.

Sandra was the beneficiary of the will, like of everything he had.

He was born in Tyler, Texas, which is in the middle of the East Texas oil patch. His father was actually an independent oil guy for a while.

The first time I met Sandra was 1983, so I would have been 13 years old.

The mansion on Turtle Creek became the place to see and be seen.

Sandra loved to hang out at the restaurant in the mansion. And, you know, she sort of held court there.

In the midst of the picture, he broke out into the most violent sweat. He's like, what's going on here? My clothes are soaked.

Whatever I said, as I spoke, Sandra looked at me and she would sort of gaze upon me with these big brown eyes as though what I was saying was fascinating.

He and his family lived just a few blocks away. Sandra took a fancy or took an interest in Dr. Bagwell's wife, Betsy. Betsy was known to be a very open-hearted, generous, kind of giving, empathetic lady.

And she had two children of her own. But one of the things that Sandra did was constantly seek Betsy's assistance in looking after her three kids.

So it was really during this period that Bobby was dying that Sandra, in a very aggressive way, began to constantly seek the company and the care and the assistance of the Bagwells.

She told Dr. Bagwell that, We have to extricate ourselves from this woman. We have to disentangle from this strange woman.

And it was about 10 days after that fateful last straw in Santa Fe, New Mexico, that Betsy's found shot to death in her car at Love Field.

I could be no more certain of my manner of death suicide conclusion than he could be certain of a particular clinical diagnosis.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

She proposed that he seek psychiatric counseling because he was so stressed out. And she procured the psychiatrist and made the introduction to David.

And she said, I'm worried about what David might do. He's got a pistol. Could you come over here?

David, what the hell do you think you're doing? He said, I can't take this anymore. And it was a weird kind of standoff. He was sitting in this closet in the master bedroom, and Sandra and a couple of the kids were perched on the edge of the bed.

I'm going to kill myself. And Jack Sides said, no, you're not. I'm going to walk in there and get that pistol.

He was then kind of mortified. He met Jack Sides for dinner a few nights later and said, I'm really sorry about the drama. I've gotten so lost in this thing. But I wanted to tell you I would never commit suicide. In fact, I've resolved to put this thing in order.

I'm going to divorce Sandra.

This is the bubble. That's the nickname of Highland Park. The ills and afflictions of most of humanity, they don't really happen here.

It comes in right around 160 decibels. That's louder than a jet aircraft taking off.

Very hard to imagine how you could be lying on your right side, raise the pistol, hold it above the left side of your head. It's just extremely awkward to lie in bed and hold this pistol. The other thing is if you're holding it in that position, you can't be sure about your aim. So the natural thing to do is to rest the muzzle on your temple.

If he did this, he then retained sufficient nervous and muscular control to continue grasping the weapon, to lie the weapon down on the bed, and then to lay his hand on the weapon, and then to pull the covers up over it.

So a guy who knows his anatomy knows that you're not going to hit the radial artery with a knife or a razor blade if you slash away at the forearm. Where you hit the radial artery is where you take a patient's pulse in their wrist. And I mean, he would know that as a medical guy.

I was friends with her daughter, Catherine. Most of the time, there didn't seem to be much adult supervision, which made hanging out at the Bridewell house kind of fun.

So when the investigating officer arrives, there's this inconsolable pretty young lady. And the immediate perception is that this guy had some debts that he was having a hard time paying and that he was apparently suffering from suicidal ideation.