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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I've gone back and forth on that. I actually did. So Gavin Baker tweeted some math. Before I saw that tweet, I came up with very similar math. However, talking to some people in the know, some of the comments are actually they've got it. But then you keep pressing and it's like, well, maybe is there some cutesiness to it?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I've gone back and forth on that. I actually did. So Gavin Baker tweeted some math. Before I saw that tweet, I came up with very similar math. However, talking to some people in the know, some of the comments are actually they've got it. But then you keep pressing and it's like, well, maybe is there some cutesiness to it?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

What I think it is, is an acknowledgement that the models have been commoditized and infrastructure is what's important in terms of maintaining elite like scale. It's one of the seven powers. I think what you're seeing there is an attempt to move from having a cornered resource or something like that into a scale economy.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

What I think it is, is an acknowledgement that the models have been commoditized and infrastructure is what's important in terms of maintaining elite like scale. It's one of the seven powers. I think what you're seeing there is an attempt to move from having a cornered resource or something like that into a scale economy.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

What I think it is, is an acknowledgement that the models have been commoditized and infrastructure is what's important in terms of maintaining elite like scale. It's one of the seven powers. I think what you're seeing there is an attempt to move from having a cornered resource or something like that into a scale economy.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I don't think you get there in a short period of time with GPUs because most of the compute is inference. And so, you know, if you're talking about building out all the power, like it's going to take time. It's infrastructure. It's CapEx. The real win here is brand. That's what I would be doubling down on. I would be like hiring the best brand firms I could. I would do a complete makeover.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I don't think you get there in a short period of time with GPUs because most of the compute is inference. And so, you know, if you're talking about building out all the power, like it's going to take time. It's infrastructure. It's CapEx. The real win here is brand. That's what I would be doubling down on. I would be like hiring the best brand firms I could. I would do a complete makeover.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I don't think you get there in a short period of time with GPUs because most of the compute is inference. And so, you know, if you're talking about building out all the power, like it's going to take time. It's infrastructure. It's CapEx. The real win here is brand. That's what I would be doubling down on. I would be like hiring the best brand firms I could. I would do a complete makeover.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Much stronger. I think they're going to double down on that and they're going to focus on it. Who will lose? People who can't adapt to disruption. Anyone who just wants to keep going on a straight line and do what they were doing before is going to lose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Much stronger. I think they're going to double down on that and they're going to focus on it. Who will lose? People who can't adapt to disruption. Anyone who just wants to keep going on a straight line and do what they were doing before is going to lose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Much stronger. I think they're going to double down on that and they're going to focus on it. Who will lose? People who can't adapt to disruption. Anyone who just wants to keep going on a straight line and do what they were doing before is going to lose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the rate of disruption is probably going to increase because going back to the analogy of LLMs being the printing press, imagine if there were a couple of smartphones left over from an ancient civilization. All of a sudden, the printing press is invented and you're like, ooh, Uber's coming. I want a position for it. I know where this is going. We are the smartphones.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the rate of disruption is probably going to increase because going back to the analogy of LLMs being the printing press, imagine if there were a couple of smartphones left over from an ancient civilization. All of a sudden, the printing press is invented and you're like, ooh, Uber's coming. I want a position for it. I know where this is going. We are the smartphones.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the rate of disruption is probably going to increase because going back to the analogy of LLMs being the printing press, imagine if there were a couple of smartphones left over from an ancient civilization. All of a sudden, the printing press is invented and you're like, ooh, Uber's coming. I want a position for it. I know where this is going. We are the smartphones.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

We know where generative age technology goes. And now everyone's like, well, we know how big this gets. Let's put money into it. I can't be the one who doesn't spend money on this because I know how big of an advantage it's going to be. It's like getting to add more workers to the workforce. And so I think...

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

We know where generative age technology goes. And now everyone's like, well, we know how big this gets. Let's put money into it. I can't be the one who doesn't spend money on this because I know how big of an advantage it's going to be. It's like getting to add more workers to the workforce. And so I think...

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

We know where generative age technology goes. And now everyone's like, well, we know how big this gets. Let's put money into it. I can't be the one who doesn't spend money on this because I know how big of an advantage it's going to be. It's like getting to add more workers to the workforce. And so I think...

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

the generative age, we're going to speed run it faster than whatever comes next because we know what it looks like.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

the generative age, we're going to speed run it faster than whatever comes next because we know what it looks like.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

the generative age, we're going to speed run it faster than whatever comes next because we know what it looks like.