Juana Summers

It's Consider This from NPR.

Earlier today, I sat down with Governor Tim Walz at the Minnesota State Capitol to talk about ICE enforcement in his state.

Here is some of our conversation, and you can watch full video of the interview on NPR's YouTube channel and at NPR.org.

I just want to start big picture for people who are not in Minnesota as you and I are.

What is the status of Operation Metro Surge in your state right now?

And does that align with what you have been hearing from the president, administration officials that you have been speaking with in recent days?

Let me ask you this.

This is a president and administration that is constantly changing its mind and its message.

Earlier this week, you heard the president say he wanted to de-escalate a little.

And as you point out, you just heard the president say, you know, no pullback.

How do you lead your state to lead the people here in Minnesota when you don't know what's coming next?

You don't know what direction they're going to turn.

We heard Borders Art Tom Homan, who is here in your state, he spoke and he seemed to suggest that he wanted to see cooperation from you and other local leaders.

And one of the things that he suggested he wanted to see is a reduction in interference from protesters and activists on the ground here in the Twin Cities.

We're speaking, I just want to note, on a day when there's a general strike here in Minnesota across the country.

Are there any agreements on demonstrations that you're willing to make?

I'll note that the administration has not only faulted protesters and observers.

Attorney General Pan Bondi wrote a letter last week, and she criticized you personally for calling federal law enforcement, and I'm quoting here, Trump's modern-day Gestapo.

How do you respond to her accusation that your rhetoric and remarks from other state officials aren't doing enough in her words?

These are her words to support the men and women who are risking their lives to protect Americans and uphold the rule of law.